The Z70V "refresh" model, anyone else anxiously waiting? - Page 2

Just off topic for a second,

Redmumba, you rock! (Love your site + tracker!)

ok, I'm done

Thanks Redmumba, I appreciate your comments.

However in this case I have to disagree. It is not my opinion that counts, it is the PowerNotebooks.com warranty policy that counts because that is the warranty upon which the buyer will be relying. My intent was to make that clear, as opposed to stating my opinion.

Maybe I should have said "It is the PowerNotebooks.com warranty policy..."

Is there really any reason to pre-order? I know with some things that have definite arrival dates you can get the product earlier than if you were to wait, but in this case what would be the benefit?

Redmumba: I think it's good that resellers who post here make their identities known. There are several I'm aware of whose posts are not quite so upfront as Donald's. I'm not quite certain that there's a truly smooth way for a reseller to post on a competitors forum. Someone is bound to see any post made by folks from other companies, as a plug.

Well a link to the specific page would be nice, because I don't see it anywhere on http://istnc.com/store/products.php?cat=91

I totally agree with you. That's why I didnt pre-order. No need to, if it ever comes out or is delayed, I'm sure everyone will be getting it at the same time they do. So I can live with out ISTNC's "pre-order".

That's what I'm sayin' madmike23! ;o)

The seller's benefit. They sucker you into buying from them. Peeps on these forums think they'll be getting it sooner than anyone else, but they dont know that other dealers will be getting it at the same time. No need to pre-order. It's just that ISTNC is the only one actually selling it before it comes out. So they're making money now and holding on to it- their policy is "you can't cancel- ha ha". Which is kinda wierd because there's no "restocking fee", heck, it's not even built yet.

Well there have been other delays and some cancellations on ASUS and non--ASUS products (example: W2, W1 "refresh"). It's normal, that's why I wouldn't hold my breath, because something better might be rolling out at that time also. If I was to hold out whenever there's so-called "leaked news", I'd be holding out forever because it's never ending, new and better products come out all the time.

I don't want to pull the thread any further off track, so I'm just going to say, I didn't mean for him to hide his identity, but I think that resellers are faced with two personalities. The friendly helper and the salesman. It feels (to me) that he's trying to sell me something in most of his posts.

And madmike, that's exactly what I was trying to say--only in too many words. >.< I guess most of the people who do preorder are realizing the possibility if it being delayed; the only concern would be with the ones who don't. They see, its not in stock yet, but it'll probably be in there soon. ONce they order, they find out they can't get off without being stiffed with a fee... for most people on this board, that wouldn't be a problem. But what about the average consumer who doesn't really know what to look for?

I'd recommend that ISTNC actually put this information in writing at the top of the page, along wiht a short paragraph stating the current situation. No "what ifs," just the straight facts. Of course, that might deter people, and that would be bad for business... so I guess its just buyer beware. Either way, like I said, the people at ISTNC seem like they're fantastic, so I'm sure its not the intention to sucker the unaware. At least, I would hope so...

Lets take this back to its inception. We did not leak this information about the Z70V refresh unit. I had a conversation with someone that resides in this forum and he had asked about upcoming new product launches, I then mentioned the "confirmed" release of the Z70V refresh, and what it would be including. Immediately afterwards, there was a Post generated regarding this refresh unit and where the information was obtained from.
Immediately we started receiving emails about pre ordering the unit, from that point we "elected" to presale this unit, just like many other resellers do with various product launches ( W2V is a great example )
The product is due to arrive late July/early August as mentioned by me on several occassions. A "definitive" date hasnt been given, so a "definitive" date can not be given to the customer as to when they will receive the unit. So for those customers that are seeking an exact time of shipping, we have advised them to hold off until more information was provided, is this wrong?
If these units were to be delayed for a lengthy period of time, of course people would have their money refunded, the entire amount, no penalties. To charge a penalty for something like that is a crime. But if it comes down to a difference of a few days then no. This is why we have "stressed" to those on a critical time frame to simply hold off.
With regards to what other resellers "claim" they do and not do, thats up to them. This is of no concern to me

Rick

Rick,

Nice reply, I think ISTNC is right on the ball. If you have people begging for a pre-order option, it would be bad business not to give it to them. And your clarification about the "if delayed for and extended period of time" is a nice reassurance. I feel as long as it is all upfront, pre-sales are not a bad thing at all. It can be good for both you and the customer.

This whole thing started because someone earlier said that you were doing a favor to the computer buying community by offering a pre-order option. I do not feel it is a favor as opposed to a good business strategy, especially if people are ASKING for you to please make that option available. It is (if everything is upfront and honest) mutually beneficial, no favors.

-mC

I have never insinuated, nor hinted that taking pre orders was a convenience to the customer, nor would I ever.
When the latest "rage" was released on the Forums, I was actually quite aggrevated, but now I know better.
Simply stated, we do not tell anyone to pre order, suggest to anyone that we are the only ones receiving the initial shipment, that has never been mentioned. We have had people email us directly enquiring whether or not the product was going to have limited availability. Initially it was thought yes, then we immdeiately told everyone it would not be.
Also, we have also told EVERYONE that there is an upcoming Intel price drop, and that the price drop would be honored. It was stated in another post that we were taking preorders to capitalize on the upcoming price drop, nothing could be further from the truth.

Rick

Also, with regards to a previous post, it was brought up about the student discount. We have stated that the student discount would not be made available on this unit, BUT, everything is "subject to change ", anotherwords, if Intel alots us additional marketing monies, we would include the refresh unit under the student discount. Currently they have committed to nothing at this time.

Rick

Thank goodness for forums. That's all I have to say...

Very cool, I think istnc is running a tight ship, especially after reading more of your clarifications (about the intel price drop and student discount possibilities). I'll be visiting your site late July/early August.

agreed

I'm going to have to unload my M6 on some unwitting freshman when August comes around

Back to OT, I was going to buy one out of impulse and keep it.. but the longer I wait.. and the more I think about it.. it seems that I don't really need it anymore.. =)

I know I'm waiting anxiously

I just need to hear confirmation that this baby is indeed coming out soon... I need it for school by last week of August

i'll be in taiwan for 2 and a half weeks, maybe i can pick one up early