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post #1 of 25
1/22/03 at 10:30pm
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Anybody have an idea what the 8887 with 3.06 HT, 1 gig ram, 128 m9 will get? Anywhere close 10000?


--whats the bottleneck in these systems?
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post #2 of 25
1/22/03 at 10:34pm
I would say no way it will be that high. I'll be suprised if it's even even 8K with default clocking... but we won't know until we test it.

The main bottlenecks I believe are the RAM and hard drive. Both are the fastest you can get for mobile that I know of. PC2100 200pin SODIMM and 5400rpm Toshibas, but compared to other items in the system, they're the slower ones.
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post #3 of 25
1/22/03 at 10:39pm
This is my opinion too. I think the M9 - 128 MB RAM in the 8887 will see an improvement in 3DMark scores to probably match it finally to the 5660, if not better it. Guessing here; I"ll probably put the final score to perhaps 7400 to 7500 at most. Additional RAM does help, but what should count more would be memory and GPU clock speed, memory bandwidth and fill rate - the last two I suspect should not be changed since it's essentially the same chip.


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post #4 of 25
1/23/03 at 12:44am
Yeah, it won't be a huge improvement on 3dmark scores, but it will be sweet for textures and view distance and stuff for framerates :-) I can't wait to play doom 3 on it :-) Anyone know if Quake3 utilizes HT? I know it uses multiprocessors...
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post #5 of 25
1/23/03 at 7:01pm

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beeb id say hold out for the M10 if u have waited this long and arent u runnin a 7500 in ur lappy now ? if so just wait till a Real card comes out and ull get alot more time out of it the M9 is severely bottlenecked much in the same way the 7500 is and the 440 go
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post #6 of 25
1/23/03 at 8:01pm
Lol, I did think about that... and I would be willing to wait til the M10 is in the laptops, but I figure most of the people who donated would want reviews of what comes out now... I dunno. I could wait til June and get the next one. We'll see, I guess. Thanks for the input :-)
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post #7 of 25
1/23/03 at 9:29pm

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let Adam do a review of the next m9 and u do the m10 seeing as the 128 and 64 version will be so similar and the 16 in screen will be cool but wont be so dramatically different then the 15.7 im just thinkin u got a great deal from adam and the members u may as well get the most bang for ur buck seeing as chances like urs come along once in 20 lifetimes
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post #8 of 25
1/23/03 at 9:39pm

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ive been waiting on a new lappy over my 8200 but intel just released the 2.4 m, which would increase my longevity by a good margin , and also the m10 should just be a bolt on like my m9 was when i upgraded from the geforce440go so with a 2.4 and m10 upgrade with out having to go to a new lappy will rock for atleast another year depending on the games that come out cause im a gameaholic i play all the same games as u as was the only reasons for all my suggestions depending on how fast sager releases the m10 and dell does i may just get a new lappy all together cause until the prices of p4ms come down which i can see happeniing soon cause of techonology on the rise it may not be cost worthy to buy a new processor but the video card will be 129US from dell which is nothing so either way if the m10 bolts in which im sure it will cause ATI has some type of unified thingy with there chipsets then even my 1.8 will be good for sometime to come id love to see a 10k 3dmark from my lappy for such an inexpensive upgrade guess well see
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post #9 of 25
1/23/03 at 9:59pm
QUOTE 've been waiting on a new lappy over my 8200 but intel just released the 2.4 m, which would increase my longevity by a good margin , and also the m10 should just be a bolt on like my m9 was when i upgraded from the geforce440go so with a 2.4 and m10 upgrade with out having to go to a new lappy will rock for atleast another year depending on the games that come out cause im a gameaholic i play all the same games as u as was the only reasons for all my suggestions depending on how fast sager releases the m10 and dell does i may just get a new lappy all together cause until the prices of p4ms come down which i can see happeniing soon cause of techonology on the rise it may not be cost worthy to buy a new processor but the video card will be 129US from dell which is nothing so either way if the m10 bolts in which im sure it will cause ATI has some type of unified thingy with there chipsets then even my 1.8 will be good for sometime to come id love to see a 10k 3dmark from my lappy for such an inexpensive upgrade guess well see"


is your period key broken? not to nitpick or anything but that was really hard to read ;-)
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post #10 of 25
1/23/03 at 10:08pm

Re: re

Not broken:

...the 2.4 m...
...a 2.4 and...
...my 1.8 will...

But I agree.

Cheers.
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post #11 of 25
1/23/03 at 10:30pm

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Originally posted by Radeonm9
ive been waiting on a new lappy over my 8200 but intel just released the 2.4 m, which would increase my longevity by a good margin , and also the m10 should just be a bolt on like my m9 was when i upgraded from the geforce440go so with a 2.4 and m10 upgrade with out having to go to a new lappy will rock for atleast another year depending on the games that come out cause im a gameaholic i play all the same games as u as was the only reasons for all my suggestions depending on how fast sager releases the m10 and dell does i may just get a new lappy all together cause until the prices of p4ms come down which i can see happeniing soon cause of techonology on the rise it may not be cost worthy to buy a new processor but the video card will be 129US from dell which is nothing so either way if the m10 bolts in which im sure it will cause ATI has some type of unified thingy with there chipsets then even my 1.8 will be good for sometime to come id love to see a 10k 3dmark from my lappy for such an inexpensive upgrade guess well see
I'm sure you're right but never assume anything. It's always a possibility that dell may change it's motherboard design for it's next model. They will be releasing a widescreen model sometime 1st/2nd quarter I believe and that will most likely be a completely different design. It may be a completely new line but I just thought I'd warn you since people seem to be hopping on the 8200 simply because they can upgrade the video card. At some point it's probably not going to work anymore. The 8xxx is a good line don't get me wrong but don't buy it soley on this "feature"...you could get burned.
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post #12 of 25
1/23/03 at 10:59pm

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id agree with the last post but u have to remember that dell relys on 3rd party people to make there junk and they do it as cheap as possible and with the 2.4m looming i can see them strechting the 8200 a bit further then people would like id rather have a new model but id also like to keep mine as long as possible either way im happy already cause ive been able to upgrade even once which is more then most will ever be able to do up to this point so if it happens hurray and if not oh well lappys are getting cheaper by the month main thing for me is give me a video card that is not so Bandwith limited and no i dont care if i have to plug it in i just want the horse power )
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post #13 of 25
1/23/03 at 11:04pm
I would have thought the scores would be much better with 128 megs of ram. What is the 3dmark testing, exactly? Just the speed?

I'm probably gonna end up waiting for the m10. when is it SCHEDULED to come (i know schedule and actual release is different a lot)...before may, hopefully?
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post #14 of 25
1/23/03 at 11:11pm
You know what... I think I might wait. Cuz then I could get the M10 and the chances of getting HT would be better, not to mention they might have 7200rpm drives up by then and I'd die to have one of those in my laptop :-) My current lappy will last me fine, lol, and you are right the changes from the 8886 to 7 aren't big enough to write a full length review again. Maybe I"ll wait and write another huge review over the summer :-) cuz then I could take the new lappy on any internships I do and I can review some more practical uses.
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post #15 of 25
1/23/03 at 11:13pm

well,

if they do come with a 128, im sold. Hopefully the mobo issues will be resolved. Really, 128 is a very sizeable leap...
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post #16 of 25
1/23/03 at 11:26pm

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64 megs of texture memory is not as big a deal as u think cause the card is severely and i do mean severely bandwith limited and if ur a gamer like i am then u know todays games need major bandwith anandtech and someother major websites like tomshardware will show u how limited the m9 is interms of bandwith and thats all that matters they can raise the clock frequencys and ad more memory but in the end BAndwith is what it boils down to also the m9 supports dx 8.1 features and the m10 will suport dx 9 ..
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post #17 of 25
1/23/03 at 11:26pm

This is not fair :(

And I was sooo excited about the 8887 I mean the screen, 128 M9 , 'potential' HT etc.??

Now I hear the 5660 is actually better with Games?? Does it beat the 8886 when it comes to video performance??

Anybody feel the 8887 will be better than the 5660 by a loong way?

Because - sure the screen is bigger but if 128 MB is gonna cost $$$ and if it just makes the 8887 perform on par with the 5660 then I dunno if waiting is such a good idea

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post #18 of 25
1/23/03 at 11:36pm

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if u have no lappy at all right now and cant wait for the next latest and greatest like me and beeb can then by all means purchase the 5660 or the 8886 both rock and are very worthwhile investments from a gaming stand point and patience i would wait for the m10 my first lappy was a 133 toshiba which i played diablo 1 on barely then i got a 450 amd compaq which i still use with a 8 meg ati piece of junk that will run q2 and q3 barely... now i have a 8200 dell and i play all my games on it instead of my desktop which is by all means faster and better but something about a laptop just makes gaming better it may have to do with my childhood/shrug but if u cant wait and need somethting like yesterday then by all means buy a sager from Adam cause u couldnt make a better purchase and his support is second to none
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post #19 of 25
1/23/03 at 11:39pm
Well, I agree, bandwidth limitations are the main problem with graphics cards, lol, but that will always be the case. By the time the M10 comes out, it will be severely limited compared to future cards, lol. I dunno... if I can use this thing for 5 months without the next model coming out, I think that's pretty sweet... It will run games I play, because the 8886 ran them beautifully... and I mean BEAUTIFULLY, lol. Plus I figure I can get a 7200rpm drive on my birthday and install it then, lol. I don't know now. I guess I'll wait and see just how much the new model 8887 has in a few weeks and how much it costs. Then I'll decide.
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post #20 of 25
1/23/03 at 11:40pm

No doubt

No doubt PC Torque is getting my money but I want to know if the 8887 will trounce the 5660 as far as performance is concerned.

What is special about the 5660 that makes it faster than an equally equipped 8886??

Will the 5660 be able to outperform even the 8887??

I dont mind waiting 2 - 3 weeks for the 8887 - any longer than that and i'll go nuts
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