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Yet another "Should I Switch?"

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hallo,

I work at an IT shop in Juneau, Alaska. We do a lot of network design, purchase, and implementation work, and much of that work falls on my shoulders. I typically work with products from 3Com, HotBrick, and more recently, Cisco equipment. I do a lot of configuring via serial port (for the Cisco and 3Com equipment), a lot of doings through telnet, etc.

My current computer is a Sager NP5680 which, while a perfectly satisfactory computer, weighs on the far side of ten or twelve pounds with the battery. I also can't set it on many "improvised" surfaces - a major customer operates a mountain tram, and the network access areas are a little hairy - due to the number of fans located on the BOTTOM of the machine. Due to its rather "extreme" weight, it's difficult to hold with one hand and virtually impossible to set down on anything save a hard surface. Finally, it gets one hour of battery life on "max battery," which is kind of unacceptable when you're "in the field," as it were. I bought it a year and a half ago as a gaming machine; it was never intended to be pressed into such a "professional" position, so it needs to be either supplanted or replaced.

Me, personally, I'm getting kind of tired of Windows. I don't blame the underlying OS for the problems, but problems there are, and I don't need to deal with them as a fundamental issue, at least, I don't think so.

There are some Windows-only programs that I have to run occasionally, but they're very low-resource - 3Com's Wireless Infrastructure Device manager for example, used to set up their wireless bridge and access point solutions. This is such a low-power program that I feel certain that VirtualPC (or the WINE project, which I understand is trying to squidge into OSX territory) will handle it with aplomb.

So my situation is this: I need a machine that with at least two, maybe three, hours of battery life, enough power to do the pretty basic tasks outlined above, be light enough so that I don't necessarily need both hands to hold it, produce little enough heat that it can be set on a reasonably soft surface (stacks of loose paper or bubble wrap), be solidly constructed, and (this is the one that's most important) be able to do a console connection into Cisco equipment.

The last one is the one I'm most concerned about. I use HyperTerminal and a Tripp-Lite USB-Serial adapter on my Sager and it functions admirably. What I need to know is if there's a HyperTerminal-like program for OSX (By which I mean being able to set bitrate, flow control, yadda yadda through the equivalent of a COM port), and whether or not there are USB-serial devices or drivers available for Mac. I have an old G3 iBook running 10.3.9 and I can't seem to get this Tripp-Lite unit to work. I may just be being retarded, however.

Price isn't a big deal - I'm going to get some kind of "really portable" (as opposed to my Sager, which I will hereby dub "quasi-portable"), and I'm seriously jazzed about learning OSX. My choice for this endeavor right now is a 15" PowerBook with the 128MB 9700 - so I can drive one of those 30" displays when I get the money for it (hah!), or for just pwning the hell out of the Aleph One requirements (Oldschool Marathon all the way!).

If anyone has a better suggestion, or answers to my questions, please! Edumacate me! I want to get away from Windows!

Thanks,

- Aeon
post #2 of 14
I've had my iBook G4 for over a year now and it has performed flawlessly. I cant help you with any of your questions about mac/pc program compatibility, but I can say that an iBook would be the right choice. It's more durable (plastic instead of aluminum stuff on the powerbook) and travel friendly than a Powerbook and packs almost as much power. My lappy gets from 4-6 hours of battery life and thats when im typing notes, chatting on aim, playing online poker, and surfing the web in class (gotta love wireless internet). And it weighs about 5 lbs. and didnt even bother me carrying it around in a backpack all day. Heat also is not an issue. While it cant run a 30 inch display, you could use the money you save to buy a HDTV for your house . Hope this helps and Mac OSX pwns windows, not to bash windows are anything as it gets the job done. Later.

-Brandon
post #3 of 14
<insert abf's linux sales pitch here>
post #4 of 14
i only advertise linux when it is relevant (like if a person has a pretty good capable PC box and is just tiered of Windows, then I pitch linux as a way to get a different OS without having to get new hardware). In this case....it is one of his claims, but his most important claim is that his laptop is not as mobile as he needs it to be. So these are my wise words:

You *can* buy a 15" powerbook, but it will basically be outdated within a year (because of the intel switch), and you'll be forking over $2000 for a laptop with an ATI9700. Take a look at Uniwill258kao and Compal CL56, you can get both nicely equipped for $1500 with similarly performing hardware (i am not saying buy those laptops, i am just giving you a fair price/feature comparison). Mac OS is a nice os, but it depends on your business, how much "Windows" compatiblity you need, and don't count on Virtual PC because it is SLOW.

This takes us to your most important comment that your sager is a freaken brick and you can't tug it along. There are plenty of PC laptops that will eat a top of the line powerbook for breakfast and will cost $500 or so LESS! The Sonoma and Turion laptops are very capable and will run anywhere you need them, they are light weight too...well...most of them.

Just think about it...is the move well justified just because your current laptop is a brick.
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hallo!

Thanks for all the replies, I really appreciate it.

Regarding the fact that I can get much cheaper "thin 'n' light" machines, I'm well aware of that. I actually took a long, hard look at those notebooks abf mentioned.

However, the issue here isn't exactly, well, money. I've hunted around and I really have kinda set my heart on the Powerbook - the reason being that it seems a reasonable value for what I want to do. Also, and this is kind of a fact that trumps logic, I just want a Powerbook. I realise that Apple's making the Intel Switch, but for what I'm going to use it for, the G4 Powerbook will be more than sufficient for a long, long time. I am somewhat piqued that my Sager is, in fact, a huge brick and I'll concede that perhaps going to a Powerbook is a bit extreme, but it's a choice I'm pretty happy with. I do realise that my Sager was never, ever intended for a purpose like this, so I'm not going to be real sore about it, really.

As far as what Windows compatibilty I "need," it basically falls entirely in remote wireless AP/bridge systems. They're very low-power programs, basically a frontend to a telnet session with some fancy MAC discovery. More and more equipment is coming with Web interfaces these days, so it may not be long until I don't even need those! My software suite of regular use on my Sager is Firefox, Thunderbird, Trillian [Adium, for OSX], and...well, since I stopped gaming, basically that. I use OpenOffice when I need to produce documents (I understand that NeoOffice/J is finally available), and all the Web/hosting servers here are Cobalt Linux-based, so I hit them via their Web interfaces or telnet.

Thusly, my main issue is that it needs to be able to perform console connections with networking equipment (specificially Cisco routers, switches, APs, etc.) via a serial (DB9) port. On Windows this is done using HyperTerminal, selecting a COM port, adjusting baud rate, etc. and then getting on with things. Can I do this with a Mac? Or if not that procedure exactly, what do I do?

Thanks,

- Aeon
post #6 of 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeon
Also, and this is kind of a fact that trumps logic, I just want a Powerbook.

That's perfectly normal. I bought my mini because i simply wanted a mac to fool around with. Now that I love it, I simply, absolutely want an iBook. Real bad. I just cannot justify buying another computer. I might pick up a refurb G3 though.
post #7 of 14
the 30inch display totally owns.. has to be the sweetest display i have ever seen. a friend of mine works for apple and has one, and quite simply wow. i always am amazed by it.
post #8 of 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by kwick7
That's perfectly normal. I bought my mini because i simply wanted a mac to fool around with. Now that I love it, I simply, absolutely want an iBook. Real bad. I just cannot justify buying another computer. I might pick up a refurb G3 though.
You can justify a mac lappy, lol as you don'y already have one. That's enough justification for me, lol.

-Brandon --->Everybody Dance!!!{bitterfilms.com/rejected}
post #9 of 14
If I were to get a mac right now, i'd wait until after the intel switch and when they finally add that 2nd mouse button.
post #10 of 14
i doubt there will ever be a 2nd mouse button... the reason why i love the apple pro mouse is due to the 1 mouse button...

in truth there is ALMOST no need for a 2nd mouse button... if you do know how to use e shortcuts n use the dock well enough...
post #11 of 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by kwick7
That's perfectly normal. I bought my mini because i simply wanted a mac to fool around with. Now that I love it, I simply, absolutely want an iBook. Real bad. I just cannot justify buying another computer. I might pick up a refurb G3 though.
I want to fool around with Mac and Tiger also. Did you find it difficult getting used to a new OS?
post #12 of 14
As per your request for interfacing with Cisco devices over the serial port:

Yes, it will work.

Code:

*To use the Powerbook, it will take some work, even so it can be done --
You would need a USB/Serial adaptor and connect via the console port using the RJ-45 Crossover as shown below.

Cisco's Admin ports with "RJ-45" style jacks are just proprietary serial ports.
1/ Cisco's cable (or make your own "rollover", NOT "crossover" cable) and
2/ An adapter from RJ-45 style to DB9 (Cisco usually supplies these).
3/ And with a Mac, you'll also need something to convert USB to DB9.

Mac<->USB2DB9<->CiscoDB92RJ45<--rollover cable-->Router

Or you will need a cable with an rj-45 jack on one end, and a DB-9 plug on the other, and a USB to serial adapter.
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*Zterm & Terminal.app:
You need some sort of program to redirect input/output to the serial port, which is basically what Z-Term does, along with providing terminal control support, if necessary. In a nutshell, Terminal.app allows you to communicate with the Mac, and Z-Term allows the Mac to communicate with what ever's attached to the serial port.

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=8300945231&m=5480976683&r=3890977783
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The Console port is a serial port even though it uses a R-45 cable.
*However, once you have the IP set on the 1600 ethernet interface & connect to your network, then you could use Telnet services to conect from your computer ethernet Port.

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*It is still easier to do initial setup via PC, if possible :)

Console Port Connection to a PC:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps214/products_tech_note09186a00801f5d85.shtml

To connect a terminal to the console port, use the RJ-45-to-RJ-45 rollover cable, and either the RJ-45-to-DB-25 female DTE adapter or the RJ-45-to-DB-9 female DTE adapter (labeled "TERMINAL").

The default parameters for the console port are:

9600 baud
8 data bits
No parity generated or checked
2 stop bits

Console Port Signaling and Cabling using a DB-9 Adapter
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*Your powerbook OS X 10.4 comes with a Telnet client which you could use via the ethernet port connections after getting an IP address configured on the 1600.

Add a serial port to your Powerbook [USB-to-Serial Adaptor]:
And Zterm config:
http://www.planet-rcs.de/en/article/mac_serial_port/

Conclusion
If you already need a serial port on your Mac, than a USB-to-Serial Adaptor based on the PL-2303 chip is a cheap and convenient way to add a serial port...

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hard..._21486174.html
post #13 of 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by thestateimin
I want to fool around with Mac and Tiger also. Did you find it difficult getting used to a new OS?
Heh. Sorry.... didn't even notice this.

I didn't really have much problems switching over. I still use windows on my laptop (unfortunately)- but it did take a little bit to get used to what I was doing w/ a mac.
post #14 of 14
i would wait till the new macs come out, but to answer your question, yes you should switch
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