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IBM T41P mentioned at the IBM site

post #1 of 36
10/27/03 at 12:34am
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I just did a google search for the IBM T41P that people have been talking about. IBM now lists it at one site overviewing its notebooks:

http://www.pc.ibm.com/ca/think/thinkpad/index.shtml

I also read this on a New Announcements column at the web site:

New ThinkPad T41p and R50p mobile workstations are ideal for displaying detailed designs, dramatic demos and high-powered presentations.

Obviously we'll see this model very soon; the question is whether it will offer the Mobility M10. Numerous foreign pages mention the T41P and say that it includes the mobility 9600. Let's hope so!
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post #2 of 36
10/27/03 at 1:36am
Couldn't find anything about that machine on that site. I did a search, the best machine they show is the T40 and its no big deal.
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post #3 of 36
10/27/03 at 9:34am
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Bad news:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,113116,00.asp

The R50P and the T41P do not have the mobility 9600. They use the 128 MB Mobility Fire GL T2.
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post #4 of 36
10/27/03 at 7:00pm
As far as I can tell, the new IBM laptops WILL have an ATI M10 (aka 9600) graphics processor. Here is a description of ATi's desktop version of the FireGL T2-128:

http://www.ati.com/products/fireglt2-128/index.html

The FireGL T2-128 just comes with ATi's more expensive OpenGL drivers that tailor it for CAD and DCC use. However, it also comes with DirectX 9.0 drivers.

The Mobility FireGL T2-128 is NOT the same product as the Mobility FireGL 9000 which uses the M9 (aka 9000) GPU:

http://www.ati.com/products/mobilityfgl9000/index.html
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post #5 of 36
10/27/03 at 7:19pm
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I've read that the Fire in the new 41P bases itself on the 9600 GPU, but does that make it equally as powerful for gaming? Basically, I'm waiting for the 9600 for a better mobile gaming solution.
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post #6 of 36
10/27/03 at 9:42pm
If I were you, I would ask ATi if the DirectX drivers included with the Mobility FireGL T2-128 are as capable as the ones included with the regular Mobility Radeon 9600. My guess is that they are. However, I expect that the Mobility FireGL T2-128 is priced hundreds of dollars more than the Mobility Radeon 9600 for reasons that have nothing to do with gaming.
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post #7 of 36
10/28/03 at 11:34pm
My understanding is that it's the same card different drivers. If you wanted to you could probably just use the regular (non fire) drivers and it would work fine. Who really cares with a centrino at 1 inch thick and under 6 pounds!
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post #8 of 36
10/29/03 at 12:44am
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I e-mailed Chris Hook at ATI about the differences between the two cards, and he responded with the following:

Identical, but FGL is workstation certified as well. Games are equally good on both.
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Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld

Looks like I'll probably pick one of these bad boys up. Does anybody know about any future laptops with Centrino/Mobility 9600 that'll land before Christmas? I know about the NC8000 from Compaq, and I hear rumors about the Dell 8600. Will we see anything else? Thanks a lot.
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post #9 of 36
10/29/03 at 1:16am

Prices of T41p and R50p

If you are going to "pick one of these bad boys up" I hope you have a fat bankroll. Starting price on the T41p is $3,449 and on the R50p is $3,799:

InfoWorld article on new ThinkPads

Seems a bit much for a laptop you intend to use for gaming.
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post #10 of 36
10/29/03 at 1:37am
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I get heavy discounts from IBM through school. Discounts range between 400-600. Still pricey, but a little more affordable.

edit -- not entirely for gaming either.
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post #11 of 36
10/29/03 at 1:48am
The T41p can now be ordered on the IBM website:

http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/st...catalogId=-840
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post #12 of 36
10/29/03 at 2:13am
NiCe, but what about the PriCe...OuCH....
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post #13 of 36
10/29/03 at 2:59pm
Yeah.. the good FireGl cards (based off R cores) are just as good in games (ATI did makes ome crappy FireGL cards though), but, have things like support for special GL functions.. you pay an arm AND leg for it though..
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post #14 of 36
10/30/03 at 6:58pm
The R50p is SWEEEEEEEET! An arm and a leg yes, but compared to an Apple G4, it's similarly priced. I wonder if IBM gives student discounts to college students and at what level.

My only desire is if it were WUXGA instead of UXGA. The size difference might not be greatly different but still a bit more screen room.
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post #15 of 36
10/30/03 at 7:07pm
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sbc, I know that my school offers considerable discounts, considerably on IBM ThinkPads. Try contacting someone at IBM or at your school. It wouldn't surprise me if they did too.
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post #16 of 36
10/31/03 at 12:32am
Are there any benchmarks of these machines?

And I'm confused. Are these 1.7Ghz machines anywhere near as fast as the 3.02's being used in the Sagers? Why is IBM using such low clockage on machines that are intended for graphics heavy apps (CAD, modelling)?
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post #17 of 36
10/31/03 at 5:59am
Clock speed is not, and has never, ever been, a measure of speed that even resembles accuracy, much like the number of pistons in an internal combustion engine is not, and has never been, an accurate measure of the acceleration performance of a vehicle.
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post #18 of 36
10/31/03 at 9:26am
Oh, so I guess the Pentium M is a different chip altogether from the Pentium 4 Mobile?

I understand your point, but I thought that within Intel's own family of chips that the clock speed would be somewhat pertinent but I guess not.

Can anyone give the details of this chip and explain how it stacks up?

Thanks..
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post #19 of 36
10/31/03 at 9:49am
Pentium M vs. Pentium 4 benchmarks

If you want to understand how the Pentium M works, then read the whole article.
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post #20 of 36
10/31/03 at 12:38pm
Thanks, I guess the Pentium M chip is pretty competitive with its desktop cousin from looking at those benchmarks.

My only question is whether there is a Pentium M model out that competes with the latest 3.2 Pentium 4 chips? The IBM T41 uses at its highest a 1.7Ghz Pentium M which seems to tap out at apprx. 2.7 Pentium 4 level performance.
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