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post #61 of 207
7/11/05 at 2:24am
hi guys,
this firmware for fans can upgrade all the CLEVO D900T or especially Sager 9860-9880?
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post #62 of 207
7/11/05 at 2:43am
Normally, it "SHOULD??" work; however, as it is a BIOS update, I'd highly recommend that you contact your reseller and ask before you do it. They might want to void your warranty if you do this -- or worse, you could turn your machine into a 12lb Anchor. If you do screw up the BIOS, you can always order a new chip that is preloaded for about $50 or less (w/o shipping costs).
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post #63 of 207
7/11/05 at 2:45am
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Originally Posted by ratmyr
I found a utility on HP's site that allows you to format a USB drive as a boot disk (as long as you have the MSDOS files required), however, I haven't been able to see if the EX7/9860/9880 recognizes a USB drive as a bootable device. My system at work does though.
Yes, install the USB device and fire it up, going into BIOS. In the Boot menu you'll see your USB device in the bottom row (the excluded-from-boot items). All you need to do is highlight the USB stick and press 'x' and it will jump up into the bottom of bootable selections. Then just '+' up until it's at top and it will try to boot from the stick first. All above directions/commands are in right-hand column in the BIOS.

The trouble I had (and got too lazy to spend much time on) was making the USB stick "bootable" (ie: bootsectors). XP greys out this selection if you try and format from MyComputer by right-clicking on USB drive and selecting "format". Of course, XP doesn't allow you to add the /S flag to format command either, so I got stuck and just dug out the floppy.

Do you have link the the HP utility?

Thanks,
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post #64 of 207
7/11/05 at 6:05am
Hi guys, how do I format a floppy disk as a MS-DOS start up disk?
Thanks for any help
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post #65 of 207
7/11/05 at 8:17am
The tools I used was located at:
http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/fi...oad/20306.html

This is for their USB stick, however, it worked with any of the ones I used. The catch is that you need to have a copy of the DOS files in a folder so that it knows where to grab them from.

Thanks for the information. I will check it out when I get back to the room.
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post #66 of 207
7/11/05 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by ratmyr
The tools I used was located at:
http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/fi...oad/20306.html

This is for their USB stick, however, it worked with any of the ones I used. The catch is that you need to have a copy of the DOS files in a folder so that it knows where to grab them from.

Thanks for the information. I will check it out when I get back to the room.
I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to these things, but how can I get these DOS files?
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post #67 of 207
7/11/05 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by Wazarus
Hi guys, how do I format a floppy disk as a MS-DOS start up disk?
WinXP: Open MyComputer, right-click on the floppy drive (typically A: ), select "Format...", under "Format Options" select "Create an MS-DOS startup disk" and click the "Start" button. When finished, open floppy disk and you'll see some files such as Command.com, msdos.sys, io.sys, etc... Now you're floppy has the correct bootsector formatted and the files in it required for a bare-bones DOS.
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post #68 of 207
7/11/05 at 1:26pm
this is an awsome firmware upgrade. and to the ones that think otherwise, they don't know what they are talking about lol.

my 9860 is so quiet and so healthy it's great!
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post #69 of 207
7/11/05 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by Argh
this is an awsome firmware upgrade. and to the ones that think otherwise, they don't know what they are talking about lol.

my 9860 is so quiet and so healthy it's great!
Quoting to once again note that this firmware upgrade is badass. Much quieter, and I don't seem to be having the "excessive heat under left palm" problem.
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post #70 of 207
7/11/05 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by ratmyr
The catch is that you need to have a copy of the DOS files in a folder so that it knows where to grab them from.
Yes, you need IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, and COMMAND.COM. You can of course make a DOS bootable floppy disk in WinXP, but of course you need your floppy. You can't just copy C:\Windows/System32/Command.com, C:\io.sys, and C:\msdos.sys either; they don't work. Strange...either the good one's are on the system somewhere (to use when making bootable floppies) or the format command does something to existing files...I dunno.

So prolly the best thing for you is to get those files off the 'net somewhere or just go to closest PC that has a floppy and USB port and make a bootable floppy disk and copy files over to USB stick. Bring stick back to your laptop and copy files into folder on HD and use that as your source folder when creating boot-stick with the HP utility. I always use Bootdisk.com for boot files but they're wrapped in an executable that doesn't allow flags on the command line so unless you have an attached floppy those programs don't work.

Good luck. Firmware works good.
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post #71 of 207
7/11/05 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by Argh
this is an awsome firmware upgrade. and to the ones that think otherwise, they don't know what they are talking about lol.

my 9860 is so quiet and so healthy it's great!
I just don't like to see the temperature going between 45 and 60 C every 5 minutes with the fans going full blast for 2 sec. I find it more distractive than fans always on. I am scared of these temperature fluctuations, every 5 minutes seems like a pretty fast cycle.

With fans always on, I idle at 35 C with nearly no fluctuation.
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post #72 of 207
7/11/05 at 3:15pm
what fan fluctuations are you talking about? at idle, the temp holds steady. there are only fluctuations when cpu load occurs during an idle period or when load is commonly present, but that is normal under any cooling environment and on any computer rig, even desktop. the fans will speed up and slow down accordingly, just like my old 17" toshiba laptop did, and just like any laptop should do. this is the correct firmware that was supposed to be in place a long time ago. i will bet you that there will never be another "stuck fan" syndrome again with the 98x0 laptops.

the fans going full blast occurs only once when they initially start up and that blast only happens for like 2 seconds and then they throttle down. they never go to full blast anymore. they only speed up to compensate for the heat, and still they are quieter than the previous always on fan firmware. i was playing BF2 for a couple of hours and the rig was quieter with this firmware than the old one. no heat problems, no instability problems, no problems at all.

edit; i am ildeing at 50C as i typed this reply and the ambient temp in my crummy office desk is 80F.
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post #73 of 207
7/11/05 at 3:30pm
Like most things, it's just a matter of personal opinion. Some people were quite content with the noise level/temperature combination of the always on firmware.

I hate to give my own opinions after saying that, but a couple things:

1) Although yes, it is in place to fix the fan chirp, that 2 second full speed throttle up that the fans do is pretty annoying.

2) The fan fluctuations he is referring to is the cpu cooling to 45, the fans going off, then the cpu heating to 60, then the fans going on, then the cpu cooling to 45, and then the fans going off, and all this over and over.
If some people are in a sufficiently warm room and doing a lot on the computer, maybe theyll idle around 50 and the cpu will never cool to 45 and turn the fans off. Personally though, with the new firmware, during my general use I always cool down to 45 causing the fans to do their on/off dance.

3) Although I'm sure processors are perfectly fine running at 50c, thats a little too hot for my tastes (in idle/general use conditions). I have mIRC, Gaim, Thunderbird, Firefox, Winamp, Azureus, Emule, Steam, and Ventrilo running and I'm idling at 41 in a 68F room.
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post #74 of 207
7/11/05 at 3:36pm
once the fans start, i have never noticed them to stop afterward. they only throttle down and spin at a very quiet rate. are you saying that the fans actually turn themselves off when reaching 45C or below?
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post #75 of 207
7/11/05 at 5:07pm
i ran the laptop off the battery at work and it hit 45C and the fans did turn off. temps climbed to 60C when the fans started again, but i could not hear them because of the noise in the office. but i am pretty sure they started off with that 2 second blast, which they should in order to avoid the stuck fan syndrome.

i can see how this can annoy some. but, overall i still think this firmware is far better than the previous alwasy on firmware, which didn't solve the stuck fan syndrome.
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post #76 of 207
7/11/05 at 11:31pm
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Originally Posted by Argh
what fan fluctuations are you talking about? .
I'm wondering that too, mine holds steady also.

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Originally Posted by apc
2) The fan fluctuations he is referring to is the cpu cooling to 45, the fans going off, then the cpu heating to 60, then the fans going on, then the cpu cooling to 45, and then the fans going off, and all this over and over. .
This is why a person should use Gethermal and set AC2 Trip to 40 and Fan Off to 35 (like I do) and the fluctuations won't happen. I can't even here my gpu fan when it's at 100% so that can't be an issue. I have to put my hand at the output or put my ear to it to tell that it's running. Still, mine doesn't go from 60 to 45 to 60 to 45, it stays constant.

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Originally Posted by Argh
once the fans start, i have never noticed them to stop afterward. they only throttle down and spin at a very quiet rate. are you saying that the fans actually turn themselves off when reaching 45C or below?
The default Fan Off temp is 45°C so yes, it should shut off at 45. This is why I use Gethermal to set the Fan Off to 35, then it never shuts off since the coolest I've gotten it to is around 40.
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post #77 of 207
7/12/05 at 2:02pm
I've also been wondering about what people meant when they talked about fluctuations, since my temperature's always been constant. I almost never run off the battery. When I decided to see what happens when I only run off the battery, the temperature began to fluctuate. This is when I noticed the fans cutting off at 45C and starting again at 60 with the 2 second bursts of the fans. Unless someone has something different, I think it only only happens when on battery power.

I tried to post images of MobMeter, but my hosting has a swear word in the URL and vB won't let me post them.
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post #78 of 207
7/12/05 at 3:35pm
It just depends on how much you do on the computer and the temperature in your room. Some people will reach 45 during general use and cause the fans to cycle. Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it's impossible.
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post #79 of 207
7/12/05 at 4:08pm
on another note; this firmware MAY have cured a, what sounded like an electrical leak from a resistor, transistor of some sort that was comming underneath the numbercal number 5 keypad on the number pad. i have not heard that noise since i installed this new firmware. that noise could have been one of the fans. the funny thing is though, that noise would occur even when the fans were both running, so it was not related to the stuck fan syndrome.

and yes, i can confirm that the fans WILL cycle on and off if the temps in the cpu hit 45C regardless if it is running on ac power. but, for me at least, this this a rare scenario with the new firmware. but, in winter when the ambient temps tends to be colder, it may be a different experience. the 2 second blast doesn't really bother me though, it is better than having the fans being louder constantly, like before.

i will repeat again though, that this is an awsome firmware upgrade for the fans compared to what we had before. i know some are using the get thermal program, but for what reason now? is it to get rid of the 2 second blast? i think people are being a tad too picky with this new fan firmware, IMO.
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post #80 of 207
7/12/05 at 6:05pm
That´s cool, Sager. But too late. Using GetThermal is much better.
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