Originally Posted by johnhamler
well beakmyn, you seem to be very well informed, and what about free hotspots? I think you are the naive man...or the technician in my area is naive too.
i dont know if you read all my posts, one of the technician who sell WIFI told me I was damn right...it is the biggest company in my country and they have received several complaints like this.if I was wrong, i think the guy would have told me to stop ASAP, but no, he told me:"the other guy is an incompetent, he had just to put a key..."
sure I dont know lot of things about PC like millions of people who buy a laptop and use internet in town.
and what about all these people driving in their VAN and plotting maps of all open connection in their area?
Are you joking?so far I didnt commit any crime.I have been accused by a dumb idiot who broadcasted illegaly his line in a super market with thousand people all around.
I would have prefered you to come with something to discus than just a "have fun in jail"
I have checked the law here in europe, and the cops did it for me, and there is nothing about that.They do not even talk about wifi or internet connection by air.the cops told me they can not really do anything.
this is so new here, that they will have soon to make some new laws.
I think if I was trying to crack codes , it would have been different.
I think I am right to share this story with you, more and more people could be in problem later,...
I dont know how many people have read this post, but none was able to give me a straight answer.
so will I be guilty or non guilty?
It doesn't matter if the signal was over the air or over the wire. You accessed a network for which you did not have permission to access. That is theft, you are a criminal. Nowhere in your postings do you state that you agreed to a TOS with the entity providing the wireless signal. This means you did not enter into an agreement with that company.
From what I've read you assumed that because a wifi signal was available un-encrypted it was free for use. That was your first mistake, you then accessed the network at the police station. Which at this point I assume you also did not ask permission to use. Seeing that you were already be prosecuted for theft of services it would seem logical that you would at least ask the second time around.
Incompetence by the owner does not give you permission to steal. Just because there are no laws specifically calling out wireless does not mean it's ok. There are plenty of "Theft of services", "Unauthorized use of a computing device" laws out there that you can be prosecuted under.
It's obvious that the owner of the network did not give you permission to use his network otherwise he would not have called the authorities on you.
Sadly there are many other people on this forum that are just as misinformed as you are and feel that it's all free for the taking, it's not. Unless you have specific permission from the owner of the AP by means of a TOS, verbal or written communication, the owner has every right to have you arrested as you are a criminal.
Guys in their vans plotting the position of Access Points are Wardrivers. We don't care if the point is open/closed, ad-hoc or access point. The software we use logs the existance and the GPS position. At no time does a wardriver ever attempt to connect or associate with that Access Point. Many drive with TCP/IP services disabled as an extra measure.
Why? Because connecting to an access point (network) you do not have permission to connect to is a crime.