PC World top 15 notbooks - Page 2

I think the Dell Inspiron 6000 sould not come 3rd. Somewhere there should be a TOSHIBA in the Desktop replacements.

haha i6000 is number 3 that is hilarious, i dont think these people actually used the products.

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You all need to realize that what you value as being important in your laptops is NOT what PCworld values and is NOT what many of their reader’s value. You all want the fastest, flashiest(sp?), performance machines you can get. Most users, especially the ones who read PC World, do not value gaming as highly as you all do. Just because your top of the line Sagers and Dells didn't make the list, doesn't mean PC Worlds review is particularly bad. Most people would rather read reviews concerning mid-range cars then Ferraris because they pertain to them.

If you want credit given to your top of the line machines, read PC Gamer.

That review is extraordinarly pathetic

Should we all mail them and tell them they are idiots

If they listed 15 laptops without any categories it would be better than this, even if it is useless. But these rankings are just confusing since the laptops in the same category are totally different. They aren't consistent and the categories just don't make sense.

A T43 with an Alienware Area-51m 7700 in the same category??? How could a 14" T43 possibly make it as a DTR but the larger HP NC8230 with a bigger screen and better video card not? The Inspiron 6000 is definitely out of place too. If they have 10lb P4's in there they gotta have the Inspiron 9300 at least which is definitely more of a DTR than the 6000.

Not to mention they confuse readers by using a DTR category with laptops the industry considers as 'Thin and Light' and not DTR.

Well said. PC World could absolutely care les about gaming, as does most of the world.


Well said. PC World is targeted towards business users, not gamers.

OK OK OK OK How about this:

Pick a category and POST YOUR OWN TOP 10's yay fun game!

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What about rendering professionals? Ever wonder why there are workstation GPUs available for notebooks like the 9880? 3D acceleration can be important for work. For that matter, so can large hard drives, the ability to have multiple hard drives, RAID, multiple optical drives, large, high-resolution screens, and a number of other things. Sure, there's space for mobility, etc, there, too, but a list of desktop replacements isn't supposed to be reviewing them for their mobility. They're there to replace desktops, not to be flitted about with.

There's no reason for the IBM Thinkpad (my chosen example) being on there with a tiny, medium-resolution screen, particularly ranked above other notebooks that FAR better reflect the category.

If you're just going to point out the fact that some people are only running Microsoft Word, then why don't we just start recommending Pentium 3 (note: aware of the Pentium M/3 relationship) notebooks with integrated graphics, 128 MB of RAM, 12.1" XGA screens, 40 GB hard drives, and Windows 2000 to people asking for DTRs? You'll run Office fine, you'll even be able to run compilers, so long as you can stomach the wait times. Hell, if you splurge on the drive, you'd even be able to watch DVDs on it.

Will you be able to use Photoshop effectively? Well, no, even if the processor were up to the task, the low-res screen would kill you. Do sound editing? Maybe with an external sound card, and even then your performance would be mediocre compared to a more recent computer, particularly if your hard drive wasn't a fast 'un. Video editing? I simply laugh, because I have experience with Pentium 3s and video encoding/editing apps. 3D rendering? Hah! Gamer!

Oh, wait. I'm an immature child because I considered more than a single field of work when I defined professionals.

And compact car reviews being more pertinent than Ferrari reviews is irrelevant. The Alienware 7700 is on there, where the Sager 9880, an identical machine with a few hundred dollar lower price tag is absent. The Dell 9300/XPS, both dirt bloody cheap for their featureset (in the case of the 9300, it also comes with an X300 from a well-known manufacturer with good large-scale support. The only disadvantage that it has then in regards to the Thinkpad is reduced durability - hardly a concern for responsible businessmen, particularly when you can buy two 9300s for the price of a Thinkpad.

Hell, even if they WERE discriminating against pricier notebooks, it's still misleading. Do they say "best DTR notebooks for your dollar?" That's a different game to play than "Best DTR notebooks."

You obviously dont understand the concept of DTR and neither does PC World.
Try to find a top 10 list with a Ferrari(the car) and a Honda Civic in the same list... That is basically what they are doing here...

I subscribed to pc world. They suck. How many times they mention msconfig in a year boggles the mind. Only for the basic user.

two words BITE ME

this was supposed to be a DTR catagory

I may have been out of line when referencing the PC Gamer remark but I stick with the rest of my opinion. For instance, when you go to say Best Buy (which was mentioned by someone earlier) and look to buy a laptop, to replace your desktop for instance, you see many notebooks which are equivalent to the laptops mentioned in their review. Obviously, it is incorrect to assume that they have mentioned all of the best possible choices however they have named many systems that are exactly what the average user would like to use. By the way, there are several versions of products that are equivalent to one another and them not mentioning yours, is not an excuse to throw out their review as worthless. Also, I never once stated that all people were going to run was Microsoft Word. You assume that since your notebook is a hell of a lot faster then the ones in their review, that all they can run is MS Office applications. The majority of average users (for instance, their readers), in a none professional sense, use for example, MS Office, a little bit of photo editing software, e-mail clients, lets say tax software such as turbo tax and a couple of small-time games.

Please try and refrain from putting words in my mouth when trying to find some backing for your post. You have outrageously exaggerated the point I was trying to make. Please, in regards to any of your future posts, read what the user before you has written before you make yourself, and the people around you, more idiotic.

Best Buy would sell anything remotely resembling the Alienware 7700?

The average user doesn't need to get their notebooks from a "top ten best DTRs list." Simply because there are people who don't need the full range of DTR features doesn't mean that non-DTR notebooks are acceptable in a list of DTRs.

But it speaks directly against your price and business-oriented arguments. The Alienware 7700 is neither in a more reasonable price range nor more acceptable in a business situation than the Sager 9880 - in fact, the Sager beats it in both categories with a cheaper brand name and a more reasonable paint job.

Not really, because I've used computers of a similar power for a number of tasks, including some of the ones I've mentioned. I certainly wouldn't have used them if I was doing it professionally, because productivity takes a massive nose-dive under those situations.

Good for them. They can nab anything, right down to that P3 box that I mentioned (*gasp* my example was still relevant) and still use it for their work. Does that mean that it's their best option? Not really. Does that mean that you can call anything you like the best desktop replacement? No.

You cannot judge by the bottom line. I can't make a top ten adventure games list and throw Virtua Fighter 4 in there. I can't put together a top ten image editing software list and throw in Microsoft Word (because it happens to have limited image editing capabilities.)

Really? Because just said exactly what I "put into your mouth." The majority of users use nothing more resource-intensive than Microsoft Word, so we could recommend P3 machines.

Try reading up on DTRs before you attempt to tell me that a Thinkpad T43 belongs on a list of them.

I never said that their review was perfect. From the beginning I was trying to reference the reason why for instance, the Dell XPS2 was not on their list. It's stupid to think that if you don't play games, or aren't in a professional enviornment, that you might as well use a P3. They can call it a desktop replacement because like I said many times, and you seemed to agree with, it is a replacement for most of their readers considering what they actually do. I've noticed on this forum that the majority of users with top-of-the-line performance machines seem to think that the rest of the notebook market is crap compared to theirs. I am tired of trying to get my point across to you because obviously we aren't getting anywhere. I do agree with your point that the Thinkpad T43 should not be included as a desktop replacement.

oh man these people dont know anything about DTR, i mean come on where is the 17" Powerbook

Like I said, the average user doesn't need the top of the line.

Well then the avg user will see what a true top-o-line computer in the DTR category and say "oh I dont need that" and go to the middle weight category and pick up a different notebook.