PC World top 15 notbooks - Page 3

No, the simple fact that I'm trying to hammer in is that although they may replace desktops, that alone does not make them desktop replacements. Desktop replacement notebooks are extremely powerful, and they sacrifice portability to achieve this level of power. It's not about me being biased against low-performance machines.

Nor is it about people in non-professional, non-gaming environments being able to get by on P3s. I do a fair amount of content creation on my home computer, and I understand that power is definitely useful. What I'm trying to say is that a lot of people can get by with P3 machines - they'd work as perfectly acceptable replacements for their current computers. However, they do not fall into the Desktop Replacement category of computers.

You may race in your compact car, but that doesn't make it a race car, and it still wouldn't belong in a list of race cars. You may carry freight in your truck, but that doesn't make it a freight hauler, and it wouldn't belong in a list of freight haulers. Desktop replacement notebooks are a category of computers. Including notebooks that don't even approach being examples of the class doesn't make sense. An Acer Ferrari 4000+ is far more power than 80% of users probably need, but it's still not a desktop replacement. It's more powerful than the 8790, in fact, which is an actual desktop replacement. This isn't about power, this is about the CLASS that these notebooks are in.

Incidentally, right beside my Asus Z71v is a Dell Inspiron 2200, at the moment. Easily good enough for office tasks. Definitely will replace the desktop of the teacher who's going to receive it. DTR? No. High-performance? No.

Ratings and surveys in general should be taken with a grain of salt.

It's important to analyze such findings, but to get in arguments is overkill.

I hope everyone here at NBF.com can avoid the common pitfall of internet flaming.

Lets respect the opinions of others and come to our own conclusions.

ANY laptop could be considered a "Desktop Replacement" if you consider that the "average" user only does things like surf the internet and play solitaire.

A desktop replacement should be able to do all the things a desktop is able to do, which includes gaming. Since you can't do much real gaming on lower-end laptops, a DTR should be a higher-end computer like the Alienware, Sager, and Dell XPS notebooks are.

Tyrant you forgot downloading porn.

I think you are missing the point...


TRUE most people are not looking for a HIGH performance/Gaming machine ok so then most of those laptops fit for the list they have.


If the case it not super performance and a huge video card/size then why in the HELL do you have a Alienware 7700...

Like other have stated its like putting your Neon car that you race into a category of a actual race car against lamborghini's just DOESN'T make sense!

I have a DTR. Look at my sig--that's what a DTR is.

People who buy laptops, DTR or not, want the portability. Some things must be sacrificed for that. For example, sound cards are usually the first to go. Same with multiple drive support, etc.

I think a DTR is a laptop that can provide MOST of the services one would recieve with a desktop but maintains the size and "go factor" of a laptop.

If people wanted a desktop they'd just buy one. DTR doesn't mean exact copy.

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The list is top ten- the best of the bunch. The bunch in question is the desktop replacement category. The desktop replacement category is for computers with the power of a high specced desktop- they can replace it. They may sacrifice on battery life and size, but they make up for it by being *really* powerful.

Is that so hard to understand.

I believe this point was mentioned, but I'll mention it again: PC World has never heard of Sager, they don't care that Asus makes whitebook notebooks, and they like to keep their sponsors happy. The Alienware is in there because Alienware pays them a lot of money to get their brand recognition out, and the 7700 fits their company image: it's a high-end gaming DTR (and in this case, just about the only one on the list). The high-end Dells aren't on the list because people don't expect that from Dell's company image. The rest are on the list because people recognize the names and PC World likes telling people what they want to hear.

I have one thing to say about that list... What the hell?!?

I know a DTR has the features of a desktop PC with sacrificing as few features as possible, but how in the hell can a 14 inch notebook make the DTR list? PC World did not focus on Sager, in my opinion the pinacle of DTR notebooks, nor did they even focus on the new Acer Ferari which looks impressive. The XPS Gen. 2 didn't even make the list which Cnet voted as their top gaming notebook.

Oh well, I don't have to agree with this list even though they skipped many different notebook lines that are true DTR's with dedicated graphics.

heres what I would put (raises flame shield)

1. Clevo D900T
2. Dell 9300
3. Toshiba Quassimo sp.?
4. HP 8000 series
5. Acer ferarri 4000

Sager advertises in PC world mag.

Common sense winner of the week. A lot of polls and copy gets fitted to suit its advertisers, and if it's Sager, they'll benefit.

They even teach this concept in school.

End of discussion about THAT.

its all stupid stUff LOOK AT THE PCWORLD LINK A LITTLE MORE! the xps gen 2 is top rated #1 in the media edtions laptops and the Toshiba Qosmio G25-AV513 is #2 where it should be xps GEN2 RULES THE WORLD

They should have a catergory for value/performance... The 9300 would be at the top of that

So does ProStar last I checked

How did the manage to spec out an i6000 for $2271 USD?! Lol, crazy consumer megasites/publications.

... They didn't even list the video card that the Acer 8100 has in the summary or the full review. Oh, lol, checked the Test Report seciton, and it has a 128MB Mobility X700.

And I don't like how the 12" iBook didn't get in the ultraportables section, too

PCWorld....

You are half correct, half contradicting yourself. First you say that the average user only does things like surf the net and play solitaire, then say that in order for them to do that on a DTR laptop, they should also be able to play games? I guarantee my Grandma's desktop does NOT have enough power to play games. Therefore, if she needs a desktop replacement, a couple copper wires and a double-A battery should do the trick

As per all of you guys out there, think about this for just one second. If you have a "DESKTOP REPLACEMENT" it means you are taking your very own desktop and replacing it. It is a relative term. Look at my sig. I can't possibly get a desktop replacement. They don't exist (unless you use desktop #2). But, for someone who has Intel Integrated 32mb graphics and doesn't ever game at all, a desktop replacement could even be a $600 Averatec or something.

Don't get me wrong, I disagree with the PCWorld list as much as the rest of you do, but if you are a computer enthusiast, you should have learned by now that magazines do not give information accurately. Magazines are the most biased form of media I have ever seen. Bill Gates mother is less biased. PCGamer is probably a little bit better sourse for DTR info, but their hardware review section is very scant.

The best source of info I have ever found for this kind of thing is this very website we are on right now! Just for fun, I dare someone to go to the Dell kiosk at their nearest mall and ask the salesperson for a Desktop Replacement notebook. See if the saleperson suggests a 6000 or an XPS gen2. Might be fun, might be worthless, might be that my mall is the only one with a Dell Kiosk and it'll never happen. I don't know _everything_.

I was looking at building almost the same desktop system as your #1 except with an AMD x2 4400 dual core chip or an fx 55! Very nice setup though!

easy boys..... just because your notebook isnt listed here....doesn't mean your notebook and you are of any less value....

Magazine reviews are extremely political. If you honestly believe that all these publications are not influenced by the different laptop companies and by the amount of $$$ spent in advertising...you are SADLY mistaken.

Toronto has a good point. Comparing anything to a 7700 will lead to wrong conclusions. Why these notebooks got to where they are is beyond any of us to know and understand. One thing is for sure just DONT believe the magazines.