Woot! Official word on Asus Z70 REFRESH!! - Page 4

Indeed heh.

I was finding an appropriate 'avvy caption', thanks!

We now play the waiting game....

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For these Canadians who are waiting for the Z70V Refresh, www.notebookforum.ca started to build the waiting list now. Register at:

http://www.notebookforum.ca/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=146

Hey look! Its the guys who said ISTNC was full of 100% Rumor!

Please check how another US reseller said: ( look at the 7 posts at the lower part of the following page )

http://ynot2k.com/phpbb/nfphpbb/view...r=asc&start=20

I don't have time to argue with you. Lets just wait and see when these killer machines come in.

I totally agree with Ynot2k (aka Geared2Play), there are so many delays, talks, revisions, and even cancellations. Also, I wouldn't pay for a preorder especially when you'd get penalized for cancelling. Well ISTNC came on and changed the rules (everyone bad mouthed that- thank goodness for Forums, eh?), but still- ISTNC isn't going to be the only people who will be getting this system- Everyone else will also. I've already got a Z70V, and I knew they didnt have the lowest price to begin with. I'm sure there'll be much more venders out there in a few months with better prices than there were 4-5 months ago when the other Z70V came out.

I don't think there is a person on earth that would argue that there will be lower prices later on down the road on technology that is been outspeced.

And about the talk of penalties, read the quote. I'll even bold and underline the important part:

Yeah, I was there. I read that. That's why I said- Thank goodness for forums! They changed it for this "pre-order". It's in this thread.

What I meant other vendors- not lower prices down the line. So if there were a handful of vendors when the Z70v first came out, I've seen more and more people selling this product (it's been growing). So I'm thinking if this new Z70V comes out in 2 months, I'm sure there will be a whole lot more venders than 4-5 months ago. Get it?
And what I'm saying, they didn't have the best prices then, I'm sure there will be a bunch of more cheaper sellers now, 2 months, ... or whenever it actually comes out.

Thanks for elaborating on your previous post. It just didn't seem clear the first time. I'd rep you but I'm out right now.

it's beyond me what in gods name you are trying to say, or why it has anything to do with anything. First, what does the waiting list has anything to do with what they said about ISTNC? (which "they" didn't) "They" didn't deny the existance of the refresh, they just stated a different ETA based, i believe, on sources equally reliable to those ISTNC gets their information from. (unless Asus provides preferential treatment of some of its resellers)

Also, ""the z70v should arrive july 27th to the states" is 100% rumor" and "ISTNC was full of 100% Rumor!" are seriously, seriously, not the same things. Do you even realize what you are saying? for no reason you're (idiotically) stirring up a quarrel.

So lets all calm down and leave fanboyism and "flammatory" comments out of this. The refresh isn't out yet and i'm sure we would all like to see it earlier rather than later, and these arguments won't do anyone any good. The forums are here so we can speculate with what information we have, and what you're making of this is a rivalry, for no obvious reason.

You're absolutely right. I'm sure we'd all like to see the Z70Vr early and arguing doesn't do anything positive. I'm not doing anything to make a rivalry, because those types of things are pointless.

Forums are a place to hand out information and being able to distinguish real from rumor is a tough thing to do. You came in and announced that notebookforums.ca said that its going to be late august. *shrugs* Nothing wrong with that. Its all hearsay my friend. I don't want anyone to take things so personally (like going as far as calling me an idiot. was that really nessasary?). Feel free to PM me if you want to talk more. The rest of my posts in this thread will benifit the readers who want to know about the unit comeing out; not "fanboyism" or flames. Lets all do the same alright?

Wow, you took the words right out of my mouth! Nobody is here to dispute whether istnc is right or not. We are simply stating other information gathered from other sources. And what you make of that information is entirely up to you.

glad we agree

Well ISTNC was right, its just that it was just talks of it. A small unofficial announcement that all the other dealers got. It's just that ISTNC took the initiative and so-called "leaked" the news and screwed all the other fellow dealers with current Z70V inventory. Now everyone's waiting, and/or pre-ordering through them. A very cut-throat move. If you read other forums, like Notebook Review- you'll see that people who've been around longer than them (ProPortable, Geared2Play) are saying that's it wasnt "official", it was just hearsay, and they themselves would not want to take your money away. Instead, they were willing to wait until it comes out, test it, and then put it up for sale. Not saying ISTNC are horrible people, but I'm saying it takes an honest seller/person to admit that they want to test it out (performance, compatible components, reviews, etc) before having you buy it.

Gotta agree with madmike. ISTNC offered the pre-order early and you all gave them your money.

I suppose the only way to judge on this subject is to see when the units actually arrive..........then you can start your rock throwing.

Rick

just remember that despite them being friendly and helpful, ISTNC and ProPortable and c9tech and Geared2Play and all the others are in business to make money. What ISTNC did was get the preorders from people who are now giving them money instead of competitors. I don't believe Rick EVER guaranteed the date, he just repeated what his sources were telling him. And also, its not like anyone was forced into preordering it. people seem to believe that because they have the opportunity to preorder something, they have to, just in order to get it 2 days before everyone else. This was an opportunity, not a requirement. Don't blame a company for giving you an opportunity that you took advantage of, you knew the risks going in.

Hey, no rock throwing, I'm sure you're a great seller with excellent support- you've got a great fan base on this forum to prove it. I'm sure it'll be an excellent system, I will be getting it when it comes out also. As for the pre-sale... hey, it's business. I would probably do the same if I was in your position.

Which brings me to my next point. The Z70V Refresh has caused quite a stir and everyone has a different position on this. This is my position.
It was implied in this thread that others were more "honest" than we were, so lets analyze this.
Despite others opinions, the information I shared was not to be distributed in open forum, but guess what, it was. Which leads me to this. If you notify someone of a refresh model coming "soon", this is considered to be a less honest approach. From where I sit, you are doing a diservice by NOT telling people what is soon to be released, allowing them the opportunity to make a decision. What other resellers choose to do is entirely up to them, and honestly, I do not care. I was asked by several that reside in this forum " will you offer a Presale?" , I decided to offer this. Did I suggest or force anyone to preorder? No, never, nor was it ever applied.
So here we are back at square one, whats the more honest approach. I tend to find it a disservice by not allowing someone to make a choice. So I sell you a current model Z70V w/ X600, only to tell you 2 weeks later, " guess what, there has been a refresh released". Then people have a legitimate reason to be upset.
Later it was mentioned that I now have put other resellers in a bind because they cant sell the current Z70V. Sorry, not my problem. The current Z70V still has a place with many people and they still continue to be a great selling notebook.
In close, if it is considered to be dishonest by allowing people to know what is coming and allowing them to hold off and make a better decision, then I suppose we have a poor approach.

Rick