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post #102 of 118

battery charge lasts only about 45 minutes

My Toshiba Satellite A205-S5814’s battery charge lasts only about 45 minutes. That’s poor for a laptop. Is that the typical battery’s charge time for that model?


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Originally Posted by Adam@NBF View Post
Why is your notebook not getting the battery life it's rated at even right out of the box? Are you doing something wrong or just different than what was done during testing to determine the specs?

Well, I highly doubt you're doing anything really wrong, but there are probably things you can do better for more battery life. As for comparing it to what some companies rate their system at... good luck, those are often optimum conditions with a very light load.


Notebook batteries

Ni-Cad (Nickel Cadmium battery), and Ni-MH (Nickel Metal Hydride) were once highly used having 1.2 Volts per cell.
Li-Ion (Lithium-ion) have now taken their place having 3.6-3.7 Volts per cell and are much more practical for today's power hungry notebooks. They have more power, higher voltage, less self drain, less weight, and can be smaller for the power you get. You will also not find the memory problems previous batteries were known for. I guess the only drawback is they're more expensive.

Smart/dumb batteries

You will find most if not all of today's notebooks use Li-Ion smart batteries. The fact that it's smart means it has circuits that report its charge level so you can estimate the battery life remaining or when it's about to run out.

Batteries are over-all measured in "mAh" (Milliamps/hour)

Below (click image to enlarge) is an opened Sager 8890 Li-Ion battery pack.

While the cells are arranged in 3 groups of 4 cells, it's actually wired to work as 3 parallel rows in 4 series to make its rated 14.8V. The circuit board you see is for distribution and smart circuitry. You will find this similar to most every smart Li-Ion battery pack used in notebooks.

Getting more minutes on a charge

There are many things you can do to increase your battery life at the cost of performance, comfort, and features. What many will do that need to maximize their battery life for example if they're going on a trip, is get their settings in order before heading out. Here's a few things you can do:

Adjust LCD brightness
Most notebooks will be set to dim the LCD automatically by default from the factory. Unplug your system to check the brightness to verify. Some will do it over a few seconds slowly so you don't notice it so you have to watch carefully. If you feel you could deal with the display being even more dimmed, then (Windows) right click your desktop background, go to "Properties", then click the "Settings" tab at the top. Click "Advanced" and you will often find your settings for brightness in there which can vary depending on the graphics chipset and software on your system. Sometimes you can find the graphics control panel or settings hot link in your lower right hand system tray depending on software.

Turn it down to whatever you're comfortable with. The LCD is one of the biggest battery hogs most laptops face keeping fed.

Set powersave modes
Every time you take a 5-10 min break to run to the bathroom, talk, or think without computer intervention, you need to set your notebook up to do what you want during that time.

Right click your desktop background and go to "Properties", click the "Screen Saver" tab. If you're planning on having the screen saver kick on, set it to "Blank" in the pulldown menu, then move on to the "Power" button you see below that.

Hitting the power button should bring up a display with 5 tabs across the top on most notebooks running Windows XP:
  • Power Schemes

On the power schemes tab you will have a pull down menu for different schemes. These schemes have default settings which you can adjust using the menus below, so it really doesn't matter which you modify as the selected one is the one you're using. You can set up multiple ones for times you want different preset settings.

The first setting you can set is your turn off monitor. This is as simple as it sounds, it cuts power to the LCD after the period of time you choose in which there is no interaction with the computer (mouse or keyboard movement). This, and the others are custom settings that work for you. The faster you set it to shut things off the better to keep the battery going, but set it too low and you may get annoyed. If you're reading a large article spending minutes at a time looking at the screen reading without touching the mouse or keyboard it can get annoying if your LCD is shutting off to save power.

The second setting you should see is to turn off hard disks. You probably don't want to set any of these options to happen faster than the option above it, but may want to set them for the same time. This setting spins down the hard drives to save power.

The third setting you should see is system standby. System standby will cut power usage drastically by shutting off power to unused devices and throttling down the used ones.

The fourth and last option will be for hibernate. This will only show up if you have hibernate enabled under the "Hibernate" tab. Hibernate uses software to take all your settings and applications down as they currently are and places the image on your hard drive before shutting down the computer. It's a full shut down. When recovering from hibernation, it's basically booting up from the image to have everything open and running exactly as it was. Both standby and hibernate have been known to be buggy with some systems. It's recommended you try them both out manually to look for any issues and also have all your Windows updates. Wherever possible, I'd use standby over hibernate. Keep in mind Hibernate also can take much longer to recover from if you walk back and want an instant response.
  • Alarms
Your alarm settings can be modified here.
  • Power Meter
Shows current batteries and their power level status.
  • Advanced

Advanced is where you set up your manual enabled power savings. If you know you're getting up for 30+ minutes, no need to let the timer enable your power settings, you set them here to manually enable. You may choose to close the lid when you walk away to enable the feature, or you may set it for the power button or the sleep button if your notebook has that.

So, you can set it to when you close the lid to go into standby and the system should come out of standby when you come back opening the lid and interact.
  • Hibernate
This is simply where you enable Hibernate and apply it. The hibernate option will not show up in the other menus unless it's enabled here.

Disable unused devices
If you have devices you're not needing when on battery power, disabling them can also save you power. Right click "My Computer" and go to "Manage". In the window that comes up, click the device manager link to open it up to the right as shown. Expand the menus by clicking the "+" next to the items to show the devices in that category. Once you highlight the device, you will see the disable icon pop up all the way to the right top bar of the window as shown in the picture.

Things to disable that you're not using:
CD/DVDRom
Modem/Ethernet
Floppy drive
The list can expand or shrink depending on what devices you don't need and what your notebook has in it. For example, if you have a system with 2 internal hard drives not in raid, you may want to disable the 2nd hard drive for battery savings when you need it.

Remove external add ons
If you have those nifty USB lights and fans and need battery life, yank em. If you have any camera memory in a card reader you don't need, remove and disable it. PCMCIA cards for wireless or whatever you have it for can be removed if you're not using it on battery. This should be a given, but many people don't realize the power these things can pull.

Disable unused services
Any program you may have running in the background shut it down. You can close many apps by right clicking them in the lower right menu or system tray. Or you can stop programs from starting up during boot up by going to Start/Programs/Startup and also going to start/run and typing "msconfig".

Notebook battery conditioning for the long haul

Most people are familiar with battery "memory" which was known to be a possible problem with Ni-Cad. Li-Ion batteries used these days it's not so much of a problem. Some say to cycle the battery every month, cycling meaning to drain it completely and charge it to full with no interruptions. The problem was batteries developed a memory when not fully cycled to not use part of their capacity that wasn't drained. With Li-Ion battery packs, the memory isn't a problem and they do not need to be cycled and gain no benefit from it with some saying it hurts them more than it helps. It has been proven though that fully charged Li-Ion batteries in warm temps will lose their capacity over time faster. This isn't good for notebooks considering, when you're plugged in you're often @ 100% battery and the notebook is warm from usage. All you can really do is try to keep it cool for the best life of the battery. Keeping it cool may be just using it on a flat surface so it can breathe or using a notebook cooler to have it sit on. Reality is though, no matter what you do, Li-Ion batteries life expectancy is largely based on how old they are more than how much they were used. Many people feel they've degraded to the point of replacement within 2-3 years on most systems from my experience.

So, other than keeping it cool, you want to keep the contacts clean. You can clean the contacts using alcohol and a q-tip.

Notebook battery storage
Li-Ion batteries should be stored in a room temp or cool area neither at full charge or fully discharged. Around half charge has shown to be the best.

Retirement

Batteries just don't live forever no matter what you do for them. You may be able to extend the inevitable, but there will be a time to say goodbye to that block of DC storage to replace it with one that actually works.

At what point do you get a new one? That's totally up to you if you want to hold onto your current one until it can no longer even boot your notebook up. Most manufacturers allow ordering of replacement batteries even for discontinued notebooks for around or just over $100. There are also battery companies that offer same spec packs made to fit in your system.

Can you actually rebuild your Li-Ion battery pack? Yes, you could (see image at the top of this guide), but it's not recommended. You can purchase the individual cells from many places out there. There are also various GUIDES to rebuilding them requiring solder skills and patience. But unless you're buying the cells in a huge bulk, the cost savings isn't really worth it.

Since the FCC has a limit of 6600 mAh, one could modify their pack for better battery life, but again, it's not recommended. Improper power will destroy your notebook.

Often your original, standard manufacturer warranty will cover the battery performance, but any type of extended warranty will sometimes, or actually usually NOT cover your battery no longer holding a charge.

Disposal
Use the following site to find the closest drop off location near you to drop off your battery:
http://www.rbrc.org/consumer/index.html

As always, this is just info I thought people might have a use for. If you have something that needs corrected let me know and I'll fix it, if you have something to add, goferit
post #103 of 118
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Originally Posted by Nickster View Post
My Toshiba Satellite A205-S5814’s battery charge lasts only about 45 minutes. That’s poor for a laptop. Is that the typical battery’s charge time for that model?
How long ago did you get it? Lithium-Ion batteries will naturally lose some of their charge with time and exposure to heat. As a perhaps more extreme example, I got the battery currently in my computer in January 2007, at which point it lasted between 3 and a half to 4 hours. In the two years since then, it has lost a substantial part of its charge, so now it only lasts 36 minutes. So if your battery is 1.5-2 years old, it most likely just lost a lot if its capacity. If, however, the battery is less than a year old, it is most likely still covered under warranty and you can contact Toshiba and get it replaced with one working better.
post #104 of 118
I've had it close to 2 years. I've rarely used it without it being plugged in. So what you are saying is I need a new battery?
post #105 of 118
Yup. At least, you need a new battery if you want to have longer than your current battery life. If you can work it so you can plug your computer in within 45 minutes, then you can just keep your current battery and know its limits.
post #106 of 118
Do you recommend the extended battery over standard? Other than Toshiba's website, what other mfrs do you recommend?
post #107 of 118
Personally, I always like having as much battery life as possible, so I'd get the extended battery as long as it's not going to bug you that much. However, from how much you use yours, you might not need the extended. It depends on how long a period you're away from an outlet.

I'd also recommend only buying the battery from your computer company (Toshiba). The reason for this is, unlike most batteries you could get at the store, notebook batteries have additional electronics inside them to regulate and report their charge and discharge behavior. Secondary notebook battery manufacturers often include less or lower-quality electronics in the batteries they sell, making them less reliable and likely to lose charge faster.
post #108 of 118
Does the extended battery go outside the location of the standard battery, i.e., does it fit in the same area as the standard battery? How much additional time does it give me over the standard?
post #109 of 118
I would imagine that the extended battery protrudes from the back of your notebook like a bump. It fits in the same spot, but takes up more space. And I have no idea how much extra battery life it would provide, since I don't know the standard battery life of your computer. If you know how long your standard battery originally lasted , then you can multiply that amount of time by the ratio of the capacity of the extended battery to the capacity of the standard battery to get a good estimate of the expected battery life of the extended battery.
post #110 of 118
nice writeup!
post #111 of 118
Very nice articles. Batteries should be fully charged and recharged when there is no power in the battery. But when you charge it with an adapter, you'd better not use your laptop, doing like this, you battery will last very long life.
post #112 of 118
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Originally Posted by usadapter View Post
Very nice articles. Batteries should be fully charged and recharged when there is no power in the battery. But when you charge it with an adapter, you'd better not use your laptop, doing like this, you battery will last very long life.
that advice is true for Nickel-Cadmium batteries, but not for Lithium-Ion batteries (which most computers use). For Lithium-Ion batteries, you want to avoid discharging them completely if you don't have to.
post #113 of 118
You can not under charge a LI-Ion batt in a current notebook unless there is a defect in the safety circuit in normal usage. In other words do not discharge your batt and store for extended period. There is a natural discharge that can allow to go below the "safety circuit".

Heat kills but what are you going to do?
post #114 of 118

 

Thanks for sharing, this is very useful information, we usually use a laptop in the also want to pay attention to the use of battery skills
 
post #115 of 118

Is it alright if I remove the battery after it's done charging. I leave my notebook plugged in for most of the day, and the battery seems to get hot under load.

post #116 of 118
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Originally Posted by xtenglong View Post

Is it alright if I remove the battery after it's done charging. I leave my notebook plugged in for most of the day, and the battery seems to get hot under load.


You can if you want - just making sure that the system is being powered down first

cheers ...
post #117 of 118

I want to say at this forum, Make sure the power saving features are enabled when using the laptop on battery power. These features may be disabled manually for many laptops if you absolutely need the maximum speed setting for a task, don't forget to turn power saving back on.

post #118 of 118

i have found it quite helpful as i was desperate to get some guidelines upon an optimum utilization of the laptop battery.. thanks

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