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post #1 of 19
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07...tomer_support/
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Want to complain on Dell's website about its customer service? Too late - the Customer Support Forums, operational until last Friday, have been shut down, apparently to try to quell bad publicity there about Dell products and especially after-care service.

While all the other equipment forums are still working - last time we looked - the areas where you could vent your anger or delight about Mikey Boy's company were shut with a peremptory notice saying that "The Customer Service boards on the Dell Community Forum will be retiring at 3:30pm this Friday, July 8th. ... Customer Service FAQs will still be available to help answer your questions. If you need further assistance, you may contact our customer service team via Chat for any non-technical issue you may have." (The UK site appears not to have such a forum.)

Why? Could it be anything to do with the unbelievably corrosive effect on Dell's reputation that has followed its insistent refusal to deal with problems with the Dell Dimension 4600 power supply?

Noted Windows expert Ed Bott, who has been tying together some of the threads of the tale, comments: "Dell continues its race to the bottom with the new management strategy: If your customers continue to ask annoying questions, stop listening."

Dell didn't have a response to our query about why it had shut the forums, although in a chat with Christoper Carfi one Dell service bod said: "We are closing the Customer Service boards on the Dell Community Forum for the time being as there certain updates which needs to be taken care of."

Dell is not the first company to find its customers revolting online; Apple has taken similar measures in the past, though not gone quite as far as deleting an entire category of discussion.

Part of the problem seems to have stemmed from Jeff Jarvis, a columnist on the San Francisco Examiner, who summed up his anger in a letter to a Dell VP, saying: "This machine is a lemon. Your at-home and complete care service is a fraud. Your customer service is appalling. Your product is dreadful. Your brand is mud."

That has snowballed into growing pressure on Dell to improve its customer service, at precisely the time it has been driving ever-harder to improve margins. Unfortunately, the two conflict: excellent customer service can't be measured by standard accounting metrics because it doesn't show up until people renew purchases or service contracts - which is a future, uncertain, event. However, you can cut costs in customer service today and it shows up in the bottom line.

Jarvis's travails sparked a little civil war in Blogistan, where some thought he deserved special treatment from Dell as an "A-lister" and "influential", while Bott pointed out that "Google Dell customer service problems and you get 2,950,000 hits, which seems like a lot by any standards. (Just to check, we did "Britney Spears" customer service problems and got only 181,000 results. It's good, Britney, but there's still work to do.)

In fact Dell's growth has clearly been putting increasing on its customer service operations. In 2000 it won high marks in a PC World survey of subscribers. But fast forward to 2004 and it was slipping badly.

Meanwhile, Jarvis found his own solution to his problems. He bought an Apple Powerbook. Doubtless Apple's moderators are already readying their "delete" keys.
post #2 of 19
Dell found out, truth hurts! LOL...
post #3 of 19
Dell is driving itself into the ground for instant profits with no regard for what will inevitably happen in the future. They want cheaper prices, cheaper parts, cheaper everything with little notice of how the quality of their products and brand name is deteriorating. I'm sure there are executives at the top who are being praised for their profit increases.

I kinda think it'll be fun to watch the company crash and burn, not many times do you see such an obvious case as this happen so readily. Many of you probably think they'll be fine and are doing fine. It takes time, either they fix their service or they get sold next to the emachines boxes at Best Buy (no offense to any emchaines'ers).
post #4 of 19
you can still bitch here, bitch aplenty.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by mich43L
you can still bitch here, bitch aplenty.
ain't that the truth
post #6 of 19
Oddly enough, I have only ever had one problem with Dell that I can recall took more than thirty minutes to solve.... and they solved my problems in 15 minutes ohh thats right, the second problem was they didnt ship me an OS disk so I called up Customer service and they had one for me in the mail and it arrived the next day

Go Figure
post #7 of 19
Dell's customer service has always been not good, but EXCELLENT for me. Maybe I'm just lucky. But I have loved their tech support, and this is after 5 Dell computers and probably 20-something tech calls.... mostly because my mother just cannot figure out that spyware is bad and it needs to stay off her machine.
post #8 of 19
yah..same here, i have not had a problem using DELL customer care/tech support myself. I cannot vouch for others, but so far my experiences have been flawless
post #9 of 19
Does it matter the forums are still there or would that just get in the way of a good Dell bashing story.
post #10 of 19
i've never owned a dell, but after seeing what some of my friends have gone through with their quality and customer "support," i never will. not untill they get their act together.

the only thing they have going for them is the XPS2. sager needs to put out a p-m gaming machine to finally beat dell.
post #11 of 19
It doesn't matter whether the forum is there; they don't seem listen anyway. Sorry, just bitter b/c of my experiences w/ Dell. I know some swear by Dell's service. Guess the problem is the major inconsistency.
post #12 of 19
I think that it doesn't speak for Dell's reputation very well that they closed the customer service forum. However, I'm not so sure that their "research" is 100%. The fact that they pointed out the number of hits on by googling dell customer service problems doesn't speak wonders. If you google "dell customer service problems" without quotations you get:

约有815,000项符合Dell customer service problems的查询结果,以下是第1-10项。 (搜索用时 0.04 秒)

IBM customer service problems
约有2,720,000项符合ibm customer service problems的查询结果,以下是第1-10项。 (搜索用时 0.05 秒)

Toshiba customer service problems
约有601,000项符合toshiba customer service problems的查询结果,以下是第1-10项。 (搜索用时 0.21 秒)

HP customer service problems
约有1,290,000项符合hp customer service problems的查询结果,以下是第1-10项。 (搜索用时 0.29 秒)

I can only speak of my experience with Dell Customer Service. I have a broken CDRW drive on my dell system and after a 5 minute online chat with Tech Support, they were going to send me a new one that will arrive w/in 2 business days.

I even had to request my customer number and service tag number. 1 email and a few hours later I had all the info I needed.
post #13 of 19
Somebody posted this in the Dell General forum or something, but anyway, it's old news. I don't like it, but I can see why they did it. Too many people were posting stupid complaints and threatning lawsuits that had not evidence to back it up. They just got mad that their computer broke and complained. Also, many people just have an unacceptable attitude towards Customer Support, which makes them think that the support guys are trying to screw them over, which is not true. If you approach support with a good attitude, they will be glad to help. I've never had any problems with Dell support, but with another company, I lost my temper, and I had horrible support.

Anyway, it's not like Dell looked at those forums. Only the moderators did, and all they ever did was provide information. I feel sorry for them, as they have to go do some other job now, but aside from them, nobody from Dell actually looked at those forums, at least not people that could change anything. I'm sure some sales reps and whatnot looked at them, but they don't have the authority to change anything.

Also, anyone is welcome to complain on one of the other boards. The moderators have nowhere to move them to, so it's not like they can stop you. Just find a board that seems to be the closest thing, and go ahead and complain.
post #14 of 19
the dell forums were loaded with threats to sue them, dissatisfactions with their service, and BBB complaints. Nonetheless, i decided to use it, even though it was mainly a bashing forum, and posted a thread with my return information, RMA number and account number, and UPS tracking number.

My request was to "expedite" the processing of my return, to make sure i would get my money back promptly.....They responded within 1 day and said that the shipping/receiving department was notified of the receipt of the laptop and it would be processed expeditiously....to my suprise, my return was processed within 1 1/2 weeks, while there were other posts from people complaining about not having their return being processed for over 3 months!!

i guess i was lucky, or just handled the situation the right way? Either way, the DELL forum was useful for me....
post #15 of 19
I have a 600m, and I could never get what I wanted out of Dells forums. I had to ask my boyfriend to help me out. He did, too!
post #16 of 19
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Dell answers forum critics:

Dell: why Customer Care had to die
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We notice that you were very interested by the news that Dell has closed its customer support boards (on the US site). We had asked the company itself to explain why; and within just two days of our urgent request, it managed to unburden itself of the following response, which we quote in full.

"Effective Friday, July 8, 2005 Dell's Customer Care board on the Dell Community Forum (DCF) is no longer available. Customers are therefore no longer able to post questions to the Customer Care board on the DCF. Customers seeking general order support, rebate status, warranty information or invoice questions, can now visit Dell's Customer Care website or talk directly with a Dell Customer Care representative on - 0870 906 0010 or visit the UK website: www.dell.co.uk. Because many of these non-technical issues can only be addressed by authorised Dell representatives, with access to customer information, Dell believes that questions are best handled through other secure online tools. Even though the Customer Care board has been closed down and posts will no longer be accepted, customers can still access archived posts and information through the DCF search tool or FAQs under the general board. Pre-sales and Dell Financial Services boards have moved and can now be found under the General Support board. Dell constantly evaluates the effectiveness of our support tools and determined that order support and related questions are best addressed through FAQs, and chat. We continue to enhance, reorganise and add boards to make DCF a valuable tool for customers."

Annoyingly, Dell has 404'd the link we had to its own announcement. So much for archiving. In fact, researching this article was like being in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (remember?), with multiple messages saying "The Message you are trying to access has been deleted. Please update your bookmarks." Those below were all working at posting time.

So what can we infer about why the forums got shut? The key sentence, according to a Delldroid, is "Because many of these non-technical issues can only be addressed by authorised Dell representatives, with access to customer information, Dell believes that questions are best handled through other secure online tools."

But we think they're wrong. A quick perusal of the posts remaining there shows that there are plenty of things that Dell's customers told each other on the boards within just the past three months that are unlikely to make it into an FAQ, or online chat with a Dell person, but are very helpful nonetheless.

1) Yes, you can go to lunch leaving your speakerphone on hold waiting for Dell Customer Service to answer. It'll still be ringing when you get back. (Here.)

2) If you are going to be late on one of your bills, better not let it be a Dell bill. You will pay a very high price. You might want to consider paying off your account and closing it. (Here.)

3) Got a problem? Complain to the Better Business Bureau. Maybe by the time you come to buy a new computer, Mr Dell will be living in the cardboard box outside the store where you buy it. (Here.)

4) The quickest way to get help from Customer Service is by posting as you have in this room [forum] Mon-thru Fri, with your customer number, specifics and addressing it to a Dell Rep. (Here.) Obviously, this isn't an option now.

5) If you're a small company, be prepared to wait, wait, wait for your gear to arrive. Not so for the big guys. Deal with it. (Here.)

6) Denny Denham (warning: sunglasses required) is a regular poster with a wealth of information about Dell gear, the forums, and how to get the best out of customer support. But he's not employed by Dell.

7) "Dell doesn't want the input. People can write to the corporate address listed on the About Dell section of the website. And yes, some people are losing jobs. People need to understand that Dell is outsourcing the support of consumers and minimizing the costs in every way possible. They don't want to make it easier to contact them." (Here.)

And lastly, Dell's response to those imploring it to keep the boards open. "That train has already left the station. The technical boards will still be thriving for you to post any questions." (Here.) Except, of course, for one particular question...
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by Freak4Dell
Somebody posted this in the Dell General forum or something, but anyway, it's old news. I don't like it, but I can see why they did it. Too many people were posting stupid complaints and threatning lawsuits that had not evidence to back it up. They just got mad that their computer broke and complained. Also, many people just have an unacceptable attitude towards Customer Support, which makes them think that the support guys are trying to screw them over, which is not true. If you approach support with a good attitude, they will be glad to help. I've never had any problems with Dell support, but with another company, I lost my temper, and I had horrible support.

Anyway, it's not like Dell looked at those forums. Only the moderators did, and all they ever did was provide information. I feel sorry for them, as they have to go do some other job now, but aside from them, nobody from Dell actually looked at those forums, at least not people that could change anything. I'm sure some sales reps and whatnot looked at them, but they don't have the authority to change anything.

Also, anyone is welcome to complain on one of the other boards. The moderators have nowhere to move them to, so it's not like they can stop you. Just find a board that seems to be the closest thing, and go ahead and complain.
yeah, so its ok that they closed the forums since they didnt look at them anyway. go dell. not like istnc who has someone watching these forums, helping people. or PCTorque, who created these forums
post #18 of 19
All I'm saying is, the board was not serving the purpose that the creators had intended. It was just sitting there being used as a daily virtual battleground for supporters of Dell vs. haters of Dell. I don't like the fact that it was closed, as occasionally, somebody would have an issue they needed help with. I can understand, though, why they closed it down.
post #19 of 19
Does Acer even have forums?
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