DOes apple really want to switch to intel?

For the love of god.

ok, the G5 LV is a good start, really is, but the deal has been signed, no way out really, well, there is always an out, just not a very good one for apple, at least the stockholders will NOT be happy.

apple is like dell in a way, they willl NEVER go AMD. Few reasons for that.

1) Darwin was designed NOT to work with chipsets taht work with AMD cpus, so it will take much longer to get Tiger x86 to go on AMD

2) Intel is probably giving them discounts like they did to dell (meaning, the discount is only valid if and only if intel is the only CPU manufacturer being used in all their systems)

3) there was quite a little flame war between AMD and Apple, the 2 companies can't live in peace together

so although AMD is better than Intel as far as power goes, it will never see the likes of apple.

the new G5 LV is good, but look how long it took them to finally come out with it. Just think how long it will take them to come out with the next chip. Intel has been advancing faster then IBM, and I guess Apple sees Intel becoming much larger. Just because they are using and Intel chip doesn't mean that viruses and trojans are going to be a problem. They depend and run on the OS, not the processor, so there still won't be any viruses/trojans on the apple systems.
Here is an article about the Intel's in the Developer Macs:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1175

You can bet your ass that Apple knew about the low power G5 chips and such...IBM routinely gives Apple access to their complete roadmap. However, Apple just had enough with IBM not being able to meet speed expectations and not being able to supply chips when they needed them, and now that IBM has deals with the three console makers they aren't as willing to put the effort and money into the research necessary for a chip that only sells a couple million units a year.

For the love of donuts and all that is pastry...

(I'm hungry, okay?)

I'm ambivalent on the Intel Switch. I bought my Powerbook and I don't really intend on paying attention for the next couple years, so hooray.

However, I feel compelled to point this out:

It is the software, not the hardware, that attracts viruses and trojans et al. Just because Apple will be using Intel chips does not, in any way, whatsoever equate to OS X getting Windows viruses.

Why, you might ask?

Because OSX is not, and never will be, Windows.

Anything can run on Intel chips, be it palmtops, Linux, or OSX. They are different. That's why you bought your Apple in the first place, isn't it? So why would you think that switching to Intel hardware equates to Windows viruses? I'm sorry, I just really and truly don't understand where that assumption comes from.

aeon....gotta agree with you on that. how well...stupid do you have to be to think that hardware = virus. I have an Intel P3 desktop, runs linux, no viruses of sorts. My laptop, powered by AMD, runs linux, capable of windows, even have it installed, just never use it, so no viruses. That simple even my pda, powered by intel (even runs a microsoft OS....Mobile 2003 2nd Edition), no virus. problem solved

THANK YOU
geez, i cringed when i read that line in the first post

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'Nuff said.

why the hell would you want to run your damn windows on a mac... they only mentioned that it is POSSIBLE to run a windows on an apple system... but that is only if you want to

There is something pretty clearly wrong with your train of thought, here.

The Developer Macs that Think Secret reports on are, yes, capable of running Windows. Apple has said, repeatedly, that they won't stop anyone from running Windows on the new x86-based Apple machines.

The Intel Macintosh Computers will be, however, running Mac OS X.

You can install Windows XP on the machine if you want to, but that does not mean that it will be installed by default.

Furthermore, having a Windows installation does not mean you are susceptible to Windows viruses by itself. What makes you vulnerable is running the Windows installation (In other words, running Windows, which you can do on an Intel Mac, but no one will be forcing you to), which means booting into Windows. You know. Windows.

I have to say it yet again: OS X, no matter what hardware it runs on, is not Windows. It just isn't.

Windows is Windows. if you run Windows, you may get Windows viruses. If you run OSX, you will not get Windows viruses.

If you have an Intel Mac and run OSX, you will not get Windows viruses.

If you have an Intel Mac and run Windows, you may get Windows viruses if you're not smart.

If you have an Intel Mac and have a Windows installation and an OSX installation, but only run the OSX installation, you will not get Windows viruses because you are not running Windows.

Your Intel Mac will be capable of running Windows. That does not mean that it does. It doesn't even mean that it necessarly will. The choice to run Windows on an Intel Mac is up to the user.

And if you get Windows viruses running Windows on an Intel Mac, you are not getting Windows viruses on OSX. Because you are not running OSX. You are running Windows.

If I can make this any more clear, please let me know how.

Right now, at this very moment, I can install Mac OSX using an emulator on my PC. Guess how many people are? Not very many. People who buy Macs aren't buying it for the equipment; in all honesty, Macs and PCs use identical hardware except a few key ones. Hard drives, graphics cards, RAM, and so on, are all the same; both use off-the-shelf parts. So why do people buy Macs? The style and the software. Some people prefer the Mac feel to the Windows feel... its no longer a question of stability, just user preference.

So the switch to Intel really benefits everyone. Apple produces cheaper processors with more performance (IBM has been promising performance for years), but sells them at the same price and wallah--a profit increase for Apple. Users get longer and faster performance, and the same style that they've come to know and love--pleasing for the customer. And lastly, Intel gets to make more money by extending their line of chips.

I'm curious though... IBM just lost one of their large contracts, so what's next? Not only did they lose their computer section (to Lenovo), but now they've lost Apple's PowerPC line. I'd be more interested in seeing what happens to IBM in the near future, because it sounds like they're losing business left and right...

Well, they do have contracts from Sony and Microsoft to produce the processors for the XBox 360 and PlayStation 3. That probably amounts to somewhat more than chump change, considering the volumes involved.

True, but how long until even that gets sold out?

Even if apple decided to add a shell or emulator to run windows software on a Mac, the Mac is lacking one major thing that most if not all viruses/malware need. The windows registry. Even when you run an emulator in a Linux box with a mock Windows registry you still do not get viruses. Its just not the same even though it looks the same.

The biggest thing Mac has to worry about virus wise, is that if they take more market share in the computer world then it might be worth while for virus writers to target them. But as of now an OS X machine can not run a windows virus. It would be like trying to install any other windows application on the mac, it just wouldn't go.