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post #41 of 1260
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Originally Posted by rookwood
Dennis:
How do you like your EX7. I will most probably order the Hypersonic Fusion EX7 workstation unit identical to yours except for the dual 100GB 7200RPM hard drives, dual boot XP 64 with XP Media Center Edition, possibly RAID 0...and dual core processor if I can hold out until then.
It is great! I will be getting dual 100GB 7200rpm drives as well once I can purchase them. There really is no technical difference between the Aviator and Fusion notebook lines, except mainly the optional Reflexxion Series paint choices. I even ordered my machine with the Corsair memory option which they don't list on the Aviator line, but do on the Fusion line. I would consider Windows XP 64 but there are just too many of the drivers not available for this machine (WiFi/Bluetooth, TV Tuner, Camera). Also, I would not want to give up Media Center. The only possible option would be a dual boot which you have stated, but I just don't see the point for my own personal use.
post #42 of 1260
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Originally Posted by YuriSEAL
Actually, the P4 also, to my knowledge, has chipset-limited RAM. 2.8 GB maximum addressable, unless they've fixed it since the last time I checked.
You're right about that. It'll only support up to 2.8GB of addressable RAM. You can put up to 4GB in but the computer only recognises up to the 2.8 barrier thanks to the chipset. Luke has kindly explained this in this thread.
post #43 of 1260
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Originally Posted by TwilightVampire
You're right about that. It'll only support up to 2.8GB of addressable RAM. You can put up to 4GB in but the computer only recognises up to the 2.8 barrier thanks to the chipset. Luke has kindly explained this in this thread.
There is a more complete explaination can be found at http://www.notebookforums.com/attach...achmentid=2912
Which makes it cleat that any 915 chipset will never address all 4GB.

There will be a lot of disappointed people when the 2GB so-dimms come out.
post #44 of 1260
Is there any benefit from having 4GB so that the system has the 1.2GB for hardware devices? Most of the posts seem to focus on the memory we can use, but if the system has it will it make it more stable or in some way a bit faster?
post #45 of 1260
There's no advantage, because the system reserves those addresses so that it can refer to hardware. It doesn't assign 1.2 GB of memory to hardware, it assigns 1.2 GB worth of addresses to hardware.
post #46 of 1260
For those of us who don't do heavy multitasking but simple gaming and Office apps, what would be the performance advantage of having dual core versus hyperthreading (I know, a n00b question...)?

Also, with quad-core supposedly coming out in another year or two, will games and such really require multi-core processors in about three years or so?
post #47 of 1260
Only P4s have hyper-threading IIRC. The advantage of a dual core AMD over a single core would be that it would run simulaneous programs faster. Additionally, it would run any single program faster if that program was software optimized for dual threading (and precious few programs are, atm).

As far as P4s go, the advantage of a dual core Intel over a single, hyper-threaded P4 is that two programs running simultaneously on the hyper-threaded core would each run at half the processor speed, say, 1.8 ghz on a 3.6ghz P4. Whereas a dual core would run each program at the full processor speed, which will be 3.0 ghz on the first Intel dual cores (two cores each running at 3.0 ghz).

Bottom line: As far as gaming goes, dual cores currently hold little advantage over single cores. In fact, I would assume a single core P4 running at 3.2 - 3.8 ghz would perform faster than a dual core running at 3 ghz with the current crop of games.

I'm sure that will change in the future when games and other apps are dual-thread optimized but by the time that happens dual cores will be cheaper and more powerful--and that's when I'll buy one.
post #48 of 1260
Dual cores will give you "dedicated" resources for both processors. The HT technology really does not do this; it simply allows use of "idle" resources as a second processor. If you were truely CPU Saturated, the HT "image" would not provide the same speedups and availability as the dual core processors. Overly simplistic, I know; however, that's the way I see it.

JWolves - if your computer usage is "casual", both HT and Dual Core will probably not provide any great speed ups for you. Same goes for the 4-way processors recently announced. For me, the biggest "gain" I realize is when rendering graphics and working on e-mail, internet, and the mainframe at the same time. The "Office work" is allow to be accomplished without a significant slowdown and the rendering activities complete in the same time as if they had the machine all to their selves.
post #49 of 1260
Doh! I guess Luke gets to hold on to my money for at least 2 more months!!!
post #50 of 1260
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Rotorhead
Doh! I guess Luke gets to hold on to my money for at least 2 more months!!!
Lol... I told you it would be a while but you said... no hold my order and I will wait
post #51 of 1260
So would this be considered a successor of the 4750 with a 900 chasis? Its been awhile since I have followed laptops, since mine has been working rather well still. Knock on wood.
post #52 of 1260
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mayaman2
So would this be considered a successor of the 4750 with a 900 chasis? Its been awhile since I have followed laptops, since mine has been working rather well still. Knock on wood.
Yes, it is my guess that the 4750 will be discontinued after the release of the D900K... but then again I could be wrong.
post #53 of 1260
You know what we need? A JAVA count down clock on PCTorque; it might have to get adjusted now and then for an updated release date, but it would be cool to look at now and then.
post #54 of 1260
So given that I'm not as knowledgeable as I should be on AMD/Intel comparisons, I got a question. Assuming that the touted specs are in fact final, the AMD d900_ can house an AMD FX-55 (or can it hold a 57?) with 1 mb cache and two gigs of ddr 400mhz ram while the Intel d900_ can house a 680 3.8GHz with 2 mb cache and ~3 gigs of dual channel ddr2 533mhz ram. So setting the graphics card update aside for a minute, is the AMD version still going to kill the Intel one? At the moment, I'm not particularly interested in the dual-processor version since there isn't much software out there to take advantage of it yet.
post #55 of 1260
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Originally Posted by Blowfish64
So given that I'm not as knowledgeable as I should be on AMD/Intel comparisons, I got a question. Assuming that the touted specs are in fact final, the AMD d900_ can house an AMD FX-55 (or can it hold a 57?) with 1 mb cache and two gigs of ddr 400mhz ram while the Intel d900_ can house a 680 3.8GHz with 2 mb cache and ~3 gigs of dual channel ddr2 533mhz ram. So setting the graphics card update aside for a minute, is the AMD version still going to kill the Intel one? At the moment, I'm not particularly interested in the dual-processor version since there isn't much software out there to take advantage of it yet.
If you are only interested in gaming, the AMD single core processors will be in advantage against the Intel ones. The notebook will have no problems with the new FX-57 (90nm San Diego core) because ist runs a way cooler than the FX-55 (130nm Clawhammer core). For Multimedia work with single core processors the Intel p4 is still the best choice.
On the Dual core front AMD Athlon X2 is the best choice.

Have a look on that FX-57 test:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050627/index.html

Here are some power consumption values of the new AMD processors cores listed:
http://www.hardtecs4u.com/reviews/20..._x2/index6.php
post #56 of 1260
Yeah I know I know, you did tell me, no problem, I have a laptop to hold me over for a couple months, and the upgradability options are worth it to me to wait. Besides I would have to have my girl :gasp: mail it to Iraq, this way she can carry it to Italy when we go there in late sept early oct Safer travels that way!
post #57 of 1260

About memory limit - from Clevo

I e-mailed Clevo about the memory limit and they said that it was due to the onboard memory controler of the AMD processors! A load of tripe! Infact, according to AMD, the limit is 128TB! I was going to e-mail to them about this, and ask some more questions. They also say it has 2 slots, with a maximum of 2GB memory :-( Though I expect lukes 3GB is more correct. I even speculate it may be a few MB over, but then that is a waste of a chip.

Benoni
post #58 of 1260
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Originally Posted by benoni
I e-mailed Clevo about the memory limit and they said that it was due to the onboard memory controler of the AMD processors! A load of tripe! Infact, according to AMD, the limit is 128TB! I was going to e-mail to them about this, and ask some more questions. They also say it has 2 slots, with a maximum of 2GB memory :-( Though I expect lukes 3GB is more correct. I even speculate it may be a few MB over, but then that is a waste of a chip.

Benoni
benoni, so the 900K will have a different RAM specs from the current 9880 then ?
post #59 of 1260
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Originally Posted by Albsterama
benoni, so the 900K will have a different RAM specs from the current 9880 then ?
It can't use DDR2 I believe.. it runs on DDR 400 MHz... and I'm not sure about the chipset limits on AMD.
post #60 of 1260
revision E amd chips which the dual cores are part of as well as single cpu venice cores support ddr500 supposedly. it is an undocumented and unsupported feature

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2469
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