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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hi All,

I'm wondering if anyone has decided to format an area51m hard drive and install a windows server os or linux on it? I'm a programmer by trade and although its nice that the laptop is geared towards gaming I've got more interest in its performance as a developer's portable server replacement.

I plan on killing everything on the hard drive and installing a dual boot windows 2003 datacenter and linux redhat and was wondering if anyone has had expierence with this. Since it seems Alienware's sales and technical support has much to be desired I'm hoping the community can help me fill in the empty spaces. Specificially does anyone know if there are any driver issues when running the hardware on another operating system other than an XP variant?

This machine will be pushed to the max with datacenter installed I plan on doing some intensive development which will have varioius different server side software running support asp.net/iis6, oracle, sql server, jrun, apache/tomcat, orion server, jboss, coldfusion, flash communication server, etc, etc.

Also plan on doing intensive video editing and 3d rendering using premiere, aftereffects, 3d studio max, maya, etc.

Like i said I need a laptop that is more a server replacement then just a desktop replacement, it looks like the area51m has the hardware but will it work without glitches? I worry that once I'm in the process of installing all I need there will be a driver issue of some sort or something else that will sneak up which will cause me to send the laptop back and opt for a dell or maybe even switch to a powerbook.

Any coders, designers, dbas or sys admins please I'd like to hear your thoughts. I would also be interested in any configuration ideas? Anyone know if I can call Alienware and ask for them to pump up my ram to 2GB???

BTW in case your curious I'm coming from a Dell Inspiron 7500 old skool style pIII 500mhz 512mb ram. Believe it or not most of what I'm asking the machine to do this lappy can do, not all but most. Only problem is it runs as slow as mollasses, but shh dont tell my dell that it may crash out of spite if it knows I'm about to replace it. have had it for 4 years now with minimal problems.

Thanks,

Subnero

post #2 of 21

Why not Sager?

Is it the Eye's?
post #3 of 21
Question: If you needed a computer for serious work, why did you buy one of the single most unserious laptops available? I wouldn't DREAM of using one of those in front of a professor or in a serious meating, let alone in church when I'm doing sound work...
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
I'm totally open to suggestions on a laptop options, but from what I've seen on google groups the only difference between a sager and aw is somewhere in the neighborhood of $200. If I'm wrong please let me know. And yes the eyes do have a level of attraction that is a bit mesmerizing (sic).

I'm curious why the aw would be a bad choice as well. Is it a forgon conclusion that area51m is not a quality product?

Thanks,

Subnero
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Jeff:

That's actually part of the fun i wan to freak out my clients
post #6 of 21
Well haven't heard too many good things about Alienware, but if you're happy with what you've got then I am happy for you.

Certainly it is a good looking system, and if you want to pay for that, go right ahead. I was simply curious as to why you chose what you did, and so therefore I asked. To each his own...
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
That's cool, I'm still on the market actually plan on making the purchase on monday so I'm trying to decide this weekend if I'm going to go with it.
post #8 of 21
You should call and call and call until you get answers that you need. About the different OS, that might be an issue with getting drivers?
post #9 of 21
I have said it before, and i will say it again. Sager. I know you might have fun freaking people out, but professionally, it wont help you one bit.

Of course, if you also go Sager, you can leave the OS off anyway, get an already bare HDD, and use the extra $ for other upgrades/add-ons. Not to mention MUCH better service.....
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
Smiley and Divine,

Thanks for the feedback.

Smiley,

Thanks for the advice if I decide to go AW will definetly make many calls to reafirm any info I can get. The driver potential issues was a question I had and was wondering if anyone had run into them already with different OSs.

Madcat,

I'm in a field that isn't necessarily traditional business and actually there are bonus points for having a non traditional look. Heck I'm getting ready to dunk my head in a blue paint bucket soon, if it gives you any indication of where I'm going

But am I right in assuming that the hardware used in Sager and AW is the same? In which case drivers will be more or less the same so I should run into relatively same issue or not regardless of which I go with.

I don't mind cleaning the HDD. I'd agree with you from the feedback so far that going with Sager would result in a better service expierence but my real hope is I never have to call them at all. Although I guess if I did would be nice to have someone that could help me although it's questionable if someone would considering I'm installing non mainstream OSs.

What about an upgradeable video card? Does Sager support that? I do have to say the bay for an extra hard drive is tempting, would be nice to do a RAID 0 for backup on the lappy.

I took a look at the sager site and other than the additonal HDD didn't see many other upgrades I could do to it beyond what I can do with a AW. BTW my price range is around $4k.
post #11 of 21
Eh... i guess looks dont matter then.

But, keep in mind like i said.. this isnt a matter of just clearing a HDD. Your paying AW for software you will never use, and wasted install time by the techs.

And hardware wise, no, they are not the same. Sager uses an Intel chipset with a Realtek network card, while AW uses a Sis chipset for both. Something to keep in mind there.

And, upgradability... the 8890 has 3 changable bays, upgradable RAM, CPU, and WiFi (if you can find the cards...). The graphics are not built into a changable model, but with AW, nothing promises they will release a new compatible card in the future anyway. On the otherhand, the older sager models can be upgraded to the latest, and it is possible that current latest will up upgradable in the future.
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks Madcat.

I don't mind taking the hit on the xp cost, call me crazy. However you bring up good points regarding architecture and upgradability something I am going to definetly consider as these are big issues for me.
post #13 of 21
Well, if you do get AW, and ur gonna nuke XP, send me the disk. I cna put it to use..

Anyway, get what works for you (all things considered). Right now, the argument is one-sided, since only a Sagerite has responded.
post #14 of 21
why would you want datacenter on the laptop? thats just overkill.
theres only one processor and less than 1 gig of ram.
just know that some applications that work for the desktop os will not work on the NOS. like anti virus for one. you will need special versions designed for server
post #15 of 21
Here is a little info that I used to choose my laptop

Common between AW and Sager
* 800 Mhz FSB
* Fast Graphics
* 400Mhz RAM
* 7200 RPM HD

Alienware Pros
* Internal and upgradable ABG wireless
* Almost 2hrs of battery life
* A good mix of thickness, weight and screen size
* Upgradable Graphics - not that big of a deal fro me.

Alienware Cons
*No internal Bluetooth - this was only a concern for me as I was thinking about getting a Bluetooth enabled cell phone
* Fake Dual Chanel advertising

Sager Pros
* True Dual chanel DDR400 memory via an Intel chipset
* Multiple HD and Optical Drive bays
* Internal Bluetooth
* Gigabit Ethernet
* CD Player controls on the front

Sager Cons
* to get the 16" screen the laptop gets really heavy
* Very Thick ... 2.25"......This was a real killer for me as I have used a 2" think laptop before and it is just uncomfortable to use.
* Very short battery time - around 45 minutes...The 8890 might do better
* The 8890 model is Ugly...The 5680 does not look bad though
* Only B Wireless as an internal option.

I ended up choosing the alienware because it had the best mix of features. It seems to be between the Sager 5680 and the 8890. In general I wanted the 16" Uxga screen, 2 hr battery life minimum, ABG internal wireless and less than 2" thick. Of course I was not willing to scarifice very much system performance for these features.

The sager is going to be a faster and cheaper system (unless you opt for a $600 paint job) but you sacrifice in portability. Make your choice based on what your needs are.
post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
Liteheaded,

As i was about to mention in the other post, datacenter is a requirement since i'm going to be developing some software for it and need to also do unit testing. Have the antivirus and other related software covered, i understand the differences and issues on the software side with the o.s. its the hardware drivers and related software communication that concerns me.

(btw, sorry adam if your reading this, just read the rules didnt know about asking for specific vendor pricing when it comes to sager distributors, bidding war or other was not my intention, was just looking for information, btw thanks for the heads up on the 8890).

Towner,

Thanks for the info!!! Puts things into more perspective for me.
post #17 of 21
If you have not seen this review then you might want to read it. Adam did a great job comparing the Sagers and the AW.

http://talknotebooks.com/showthread....&threadid=9287
post #18 of 21
You may want to start this thread in the LINUX section - asking about Linux server-type services, and also mention Win2003 server as an aside. You probably won't get as much anti-AW b.s. as you've been getting here.

I'm sure you can run both on the AW, but my experience installing Linux on my machine (Sager 8887-V) is pretty bad; only powernotebooks.com's Mandrake install managed to work, and I'm not a novice at installing linux.

Anyway, I would be interested to see if this works out for you, as I've not heard of people running a server (especially Win2003) on a laptop. I'm sure it's possible, but I'd like to see the results.

-myrkat
post #19 of 21
just remember that desktop applications like gaming, burning cds and watching movies will not perform like on xp
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
towner,

i did see that review, but didn't realize they were thumbnails until i hit the link again and gave it a second look. very cool.

mykrat,

thanks for the advice and input, will do that later on.
I currently run windows 2000 advanced server on my dell inspiron pIII 500mhz 512mb. Haven't upgraded to win2003 on it though although i have a feeling i might be able to pull it off on this machine, its surprised the hell out of me so far but think i'll wait to get the new lappy.

litehedded,

thanks, i currently run win2k server so believe me i've run into the issues you mention which isn't a big deal for me. like i said not really interested in gaming or entertainment value, i hardly play games on computers anymore leave that for the consoles. CD/DVD Burning on the other hand would be an issue but i'm thinking if the drivers are cool then I shouldn't have a prob finding the right software to do the trick.
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