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Pardon my n00bishness please, but where are all these cool apps you're talking about in this gigantic thread. I must have missed something. Could someone be so kind as to provide some URLs for these awesome apps for power/fan management and general laptop goodies? Thanks a bunch.

DP
post #302 of 349
yes, condensation of the utils is a good idea. I need a good util for the 5690.
post #303 of 349
Me Too!!!!!
post #304 of 349

Capability, and a few questions.

So far, the MaxFan utility is the only one I've been able to use. The CPU setting one crashes the 3rd party DLL package. Nevertheless, the ClockGen program *does* work on my 8890, as does MaxFan--setting the maximum and auto settings perfectly. B)

Can the fan speed be set at a fixed rate other than the maximum? It could be nice to have the fan on constantly, but at a lower rate, and iirc, Hendrik made a comment about it being settable 0-100.

Changes in temperature, both increasing and decreasing, have a certain affect on systems--the change in size (macroscopically and moleculary) come into play, for instance. Come to think of it, is it better for a light bulb to turn on fast or slow? That's one of the first things I'm reminded of. I know lightbulbs burn out most often at the first surge--there's the change in size, the temperature, and the increase in resistance as the filament ages and wears, and the teeny cracks, etc. mean smaller diameters of conductor take the burden of large current. The second thing I'm reminded of is the harsh on/off people are still implementing in their design. Even the day and night are not so drastic--but there is the delicate, and even beautiful, dawn and dusk transitions. And sleep and wakefulness have special stages inbetween. So why do I shock my system with this fan suddenly turning on and off? I like the ability to have it at a constant rate--just not so loud, if possible. This is about design, and not programming implementation--unless there is a variable speed setting.

There's a lot of research on the topics of heat, shock, etc. and I'm sure many advances have been made, helping many people, by the release of the findings.

With regards to the fan, what I would want would be a settable speed, which I could set, myself, depending on my needs at the time--and leave it constant. This would allow my manual selection based on my needs at the time--balancing between how much I want to cook my computer+battery, and how much noise the fan makes, and would result in a more stable system environment, instead of the off-on surges in warmth and cold. Such a fast surge also has a tendency to chill the surface, while the inside remains hot, resulting in an even greater heat shock. I did glass blowing and the pieces will break from the tension caused by varying cooling rates/size of material (ie. coefficient of expansion).

On a related note, I read the best way to store one of these types of batteries is at 40% charge and some normal cool temperature. Unfortunately, the worst combination for these batteries' lives happens to be at high temperature+full charge. I think, to address this issue, having a settable constant fan speed, and in addition, more powerful options in terms of power and charge should be implemented--if not by the consumer, then in the product and software design itself. Charging frequency should also be controllable, allowing a default or settable range so the battery can naturally drain a bit, then be charged. Apparently there is a reduction on battery life if as you go through re-charges, and perhaps this aging is reduced by allowing a calmer cycle. It seems like most people would like more control over the fan speed and cpu (fsb?) speed. I don't drive my car at top speed all the time, nor do I accelerate as fast as possible from a stop, nor stop suddenly. I think these things are extremes and should be avoided, if not at least considered carefully.

Anyhow, and I'm saying this all while a bit weary, and I am not saying them negatively nor critically about people or their works, but I believe strongly in improving on myself, and also in balance, stability, and implementing comprehensive knowledge, as well as being acceptant to others knowledge. On a more tangible note, I feel the present methods of implementation do not meet many standard situations and are possibly, therefore, not meeting the basic necessities of these systems. Again, this is a general tendency I see--at least in what is available where I live. It should be possible to either include the intelligence directly in the design of the products, and/or allow the user the ability to configure it themselves; all the while including the protection necessary to prevent or reduce on mistakes and danger of both advanced and "average" users. In terms of protection, for example, I do not see it commonly needed that anyone can turn off the fan *permanently*, themselves.

It's interesting how we pay so much attention to design details, in so many ways, but the fundamental needs of the system do not receive a proportional amount of attention--this is in general, with people, and not specific to products. I feel the problem is much like the natural tendency to accept, naturally and without question, the workings and attitudes of society and the rest of our environment. It's stabilizing, between the individual and society, but I am uncertain about it being a positive influence aside from that. For example, here people have insurance, and they visit the doctors, and take medicine, yet many still do not turn that much attention to their consumption and exercise, though it is so important to the balance of their system; and when something goes wrong, they do not treat all issues in balance, but instead, focus on one method of treatment, possibly in neglect of the whole. Often a problem might arise which can be treated, but also requires a change in the way someone leads their life, or it should include some behavior, or study.

Of course some people do try to do these things. Nevertheless, I figure food and exercise are similar to battery and cpu in some way--is that funny? I also feel that, perhaps our attitudes and views are expressed in our behavior at many levels; that is, maybe I treat my things similarly to the way I treat myself, and other people for that matter. Perhaps it is an expression of my understanding, and I put it into my relationships, my creations, and myself.

Take care.

Sincerely,
Brandon
post #305 of 349
Welcome to the forums Brandon, and yeah, I agree it'd be nice to have an app that lets you choose your fan speed. But at the same time, it shouldn't completely override the automatic settings. For example, if you set your fans to 10% and went and played Far Cry for 3 hours...

And keep in mind the author of the awesome programs in this thread is a busy dude. Just got himself a girlfriend if I'm remembering right, and we all know what that does to a guy and his time. So don't get your hopes up. But I for one am v. greatful for Henrik's time and effort he put into these apps and couldn't be happier. Thanks dude
post #306 of 349
where is henrik ?? - lol
post #307 of 349
He's got a busy life, i'm glad he makes apps at all...
post #308 of 349
actually, we dont know if he still makes apps, you should say happy he has made them.
I am happy with the apps as well, but i really wanted the gpu control. He has kinda stopped which is depressing, but i understand and accept the fact that it was not meant to be.
post #309 of 349
New to the forum... but at least I did the responsible thing before posting a question.
MY EYES ARE BURNING. I just read this entire thread! ahhhhh
Anyway, someone asked a month ago about the older model 8880 and it's compatibility with H's utlities for the fan control. The question was in a foreign language and so was H's response. Mine is the same question.. will the maxfan work for the 8880? And if H ever returns... I will beta test my 8880 if you can get the bios and keyboard versions to look at. I have a loaded paypal account, and will fire at any moment!
post #310 of 349
Quote:
Originally Posted by Henrik
Tyvärr inte, i varje fall inte än. Om du vill testa en beta version så får du gärna göra det. Jag är också nyfiken på av vilken leverantör köpte du din dator i sverige, vad heter den?
Roughly Translated:

Alas nots , in every case nots than. If you will test a beet version s fr yous deed make the. Self is also inquisitive p of which contractor was buying yous your dator in Sweden , what am heating the?

Quote:
Originally Posted by soma720
Jag är inte svensk faktiskt. Jag är americansk. Vet du inte at alla amerikaner kan svenska? Jag vil gärna testa det. Jag har en Deskstar elle nåt tro jag. Någon berättade att det är samma som en sager 8886.
PM mig för min address.
Roughly Translated:

Self is nots Swede really. Self is americansk. Vet yous nots joke all American able Swede? Self vil deed test the. I have a Deskstar ors present faith self. Any was retelling that the is same paternal sager 8886. PM me for mine address.


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Rough; but you should be able to get the "jist" of it.
post #311 of 349
Hi People,

I had to skip those thousands of Pages here, so I wanted to ask if theres a first version or something like that out ?

And in general I wanted to ask what other Sager Tools exist....MObile Meter for CPU & HDD Temperature, MaxFan for controlling the fans.

Any other ? Or any better?
thx and cya
Cubeikon
post #312 of 349
First version of what?
post #313 of 349
by Henrik on Page 1:

Now I'm thinking of combining the temp monitor, battery saver and fan control into one utility. I think this utility would work on all sagers and on all clevo clones. I have also found a way so you dont have to disable some acpi functionality when running the program. It will also include its own device driver so you dont have a separate installation for that and so you dont get the nag screen popping up.


A first version of that...
cya
post #314 of 349
Oh, ok. Then no, I don't think it ever got to the point where he combined all of them. But why bother? Individually they all work great!
post #315 of 349
Does someone have a tool that leaves allways on the fans of my Clevo D470W
Tnks!
post #316 of 349
does anyone know if there's been a developement to where you can check the temperature without disabling the acpi functions on the 5680? it really is annoying to have to change the registry and restart between needing standby for days at school and then turning it off to check the temperature when gaming, etc. at other times.
post #317 of 349
Quote:
Originally Posted by baurelio
does anyone know if there's been a developement to where you can check the temperature without disabling the acpi functions on the 5680? it really is annoying to have to change the registry and restart between needing standby for days at school and then turning it off to check the temperature when gaming, etc. at other times.
Get MobileMeter. Flawless program, great interface. Free. Google it.
post #318 of 349
Henrik
As a newby can you point to where I can find info on how HT work and when you apply HT to 5660 or 5670 what kind of speed difference are we talking about.
Is it complicated to apply HT to these laptops.
Thanks, Emil
post #319 of 349
Does this program make the fans go faster then what they normally do during the playing of a high end 3d game?
post #320 of 349
dont think so
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