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New "Key" Mandatory for Windows Updates

post #1 of 34
7/26/05 at 7:24pm
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Just a heads up...

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In a shift toward greater monitoring of personal computer systems and potentially less copying of software, Microsoft will require users to let the company place a software "key" on their systems if they want the free, regular system updates it provides.
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...crosoft26.html
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post #2 of 34
7/26/05 at 8:28pm
It will be cracked pretty fast.

Not a big deal, but I do plan to put my XP Pro I got with my laptop on my Dad's PC before I go to college to reformat it and clean it for him. I have a seperate code for it, so at least I won't be screwed out of updates. Besides updates arn't needed for Slingo, porn, and music downloading.
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post #3 of 34
7/26/05 at 9:26pm
Wait..what?
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post #4 of 34
7/26/05 at 9:33pm
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Originally Posted by gk128
It will be cracked pretty fast.

Not a big deal, but I do plan to put my XP Pro I got with my laptop on my Dad's PC before I go to college to reformat it and clean it for him. I have a seperate code for it, so at least I won't be screwed out of updates. Besides updates arn't needed for Slingo, porn, and music downloading.
So you were the one they modeled the ignorance is bliss phrase after.. holy cow...
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post #5 of 34
7/26/05 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by gk128
It will be cracked pretty fast.
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The system isn't foolproof, however. A researcher in Bangalore, India, cracked it last month, developing a way to generate keys for illegal copies of Windows, according to Indian news site Rediff.com.
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post #6 of 34
7/26/05 at 11:34pm
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Originally Posted by dman22
So you were the one they modeled the ignorance is bliss phrase after.. holy cow...
What exactly do you mean.

I think I decided to find a WinXP Home disk anyway. He has the sticker on the side of the PC. HP just never supplied the disk. So it will be all legal... well besides getting the actual Windows disk.
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post #7 of 34
7/26/05 at 11:54pm
msdn subsription rules. I've probably installed over 500 xp-pro's, legally.

all this will do is make it that much more of a hassle for everyone else. is that all micrsoft is trying to do these days?
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post #8 of 34
7/27/05 at 1:01am
When will software vendors learn if it software it WILL be hacked cracked and jacked they day it is released. Charge less for buggy ass defective software and maybe more people will buy it.
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post #9 of 34
7/27/05 at 1:56am
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Originally Posted by Dark
msdn subsription rules. I've probably installed over 500 xp-pro's, legally.
If you are using those installations for anything other than development and the like, which most of the time testing your software, you're violating the EULA.
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post #10 of 34
7/27/05 at 4:58am
If this feature is supposed to prevent "unauthorized" copies from getting updates, then it's not working. Just to see if it can be done, I have successfully installed XP MCE 2005 to my ancient Dell Latitude CPx (PIII500mhz) using the XP MCE 2005 DVD that came with my XPS2. Then I went to Windows Update and successfully installed all the patches and hotfixes. <grin> If Microsoft is monitoring this, don't worry, I'll remove the MCE and reinstall the original licensed W2K PRO to the CPX. <bigger grin>
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post #11 of 34
7/27/05 at 6:24am
I thought that the XP's that came with any Dell were locked in some way to only work on Dell machines?
Is it true or not?
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post #12 of 34
7/27/05 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by Schembfs
If this feature is supposed to prevent "unauthorized" copies from getting updates, then it's not working. Just to see if it can be done, I have successfully installed XP MCE 2005 to my ancient Dell Latitude CPx (PIII500mhz) using the XP MCE 2005 DVD that came with my XPS2. Then I went to Windows Update and successfully installed all the patches and hotfixes. <grin> If Microsoft is monitoring this, don't worry, I'll remove the MCE and reinstall the original licensed W2K PRO to the CPX. <bigger grin>
The new system will allow you to get security patches and hotfixes with a pirate copy, the reason being they don't want people running unpatched systems which allow viruses to spread.

John
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post #13 of 34
7/27/05 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by cornholio
When will software vendors learn if it software it WILL be hacked cracked and jacked they day it is released. Charge less for buggy ass defective software and maybe more people will buy it.

HOORAY someone understands.
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post #14 of 34
7/27/05 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by okrogius
If you are using those installations for anything other than development and the like, which most of the time testing your software, you're violating the EULA.
not when you buy the $3k+ windows corporate alone.
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post #15 of 34
7/27/05 at 10:50am

Clarify please.....

Hey all,
Ive been reading this thread and am trying to get a definite answer to the following situation.....

Can I use the Win XP Pro CD I recieve from Dell to install the OS on another PC (maybe even a non-Dell PC that I built myself)????.... I take it Dell provides the product key?

Also, if I can install the OS from this "Dell disk" onto my old PC, can I still get all my updates from Microsoft in a full capacity legally? (meaning all security patches and driver updates?)

I have a legal copy of XP home that I bought retail to install on my old PC. Will installing the XP Pro (if this is possible) as an upgrade be construed as illegal use?

If anyone can shed light on this, it would be much appreciated!

Thanks
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post #16 of 34
7/27/05 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by patelpj99
Hey all,
Ive been reading this thread and am trying to get a definite answer to the following situation.....

Can I use the Win XP Pro CD I recieve from Dell to install the OS on another PC (maybe even a non-Dell PC that I built myself)????.... I take it Dell provides the product key?
You can, but it's not legal. According to Microsoft's rules for System Builders, OEM software is tied to the first motherboard it is installed in conjunction with. If that motherboard is replaced due to failure reasons only, then it is transferable to the new motherboard. There is some gray area there (I.E. what if the motherboard dies and I just build another computer? = you shouldn't use the OEM copy) and Microsoft knows it, but the intent is that the OEM software stays with the PC it was sold with. edit: Dell OEM software is BIOS locked, so you could only install it on another Dell PC without cracking into the installation files.

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Also, if I can install the OS from this "Dell disk" onto my old PC, can I still get all my updates from Microsoft in a full capacity legally? (meaning all security patches and driver updates?)
No, per above.

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I have a legal copy of XP home that I bought retail to install on my old PC. Will installing the XP Pro (if this is possible) as an upgrade be construed as illegal use?
Retail licenses are transferable from one PC to another, but can legally only exist on one machine at a time. The upgrade license is transferable in much the same fashion, but the machine it is installed to must have a non-upgrade license that belongs to it. So, if you upgrade XP Home on one computer, you can't turn around and use that same key to upgrade another unless you remove the upgrade from the original installation.

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If anyone can shed light on this, it would be much appreciated!
Hope that helped! Remember that I'm speaking in terms of the legality, there are ways to make this work but they're not legal.
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post #17 of 34
7/27/05 at 12:25pm
Umm.. you people do realize that you can get a vanilla XP disc and install that way, as long as you have the XP CD key that came with your DELL.

Amazingly, it's as easy as installing a program to find the XP CD key for a computer.

Everest Home Edition
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post #18 of 34
7/27/05 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by dagamer34
Umm.. you people do realize that you can get a vanilla XP disc and install that way, as long as you have the XP CD key that came with your DELL.

Amazingly, it's as easy as installing a program to find the XP CD key for a computer.

Everest Home Edition
Only if that "vanilla" CD is an OEM CD. There are different key schemes for OEM, NFR, retail, upgrade, and corporate editions, and they are not interchangeable, and they are matched to the install files of the type of CD used. On 2000, you couldn't even use a key that came with a computer that had SP2 slipstreamed with a Windows 2000 CD that has SP4 slipstreamed (I found this out the hard way). I don't know if that's true for XP, I haven't bothered to even try. You cannot plug an OEM key into a retail installation, it will refuse the key.
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post #19 of 34
7/27/05 at 5:01pm
Well just tried Microsoft Updates...some validation process...ouch....and yes it is possible, but it looks for now with the Validation tool, automatic updates for a lot of people (cough cough) are gone.
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post #20 of 34
7/27/05 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by Andevian
Only if that "vanilla" CD is an OEM CD. There are different key schemes for OEM, NFR, retail, upgrade, and corporate editions, and they are not interchangeable, and they are matched to the install files of the type of CD used.

Negative, Ghost Rider.

A Windows CD is a Windows CD. The only difference is the KEY. For example, with a labelled "Windows Upgrade CD", you can use a Full Version key, and use the cd for a fresh, full install without the need for a previous upgradeable version. When you call in, this is referred to as a "bypass key". In all reality, it is simply a Full version key.


As far as making comments goes about what you can and cannot do (including legal issues), I try to bite my tongue to not come off as a know-it-all. This is only precluded by the fact that I have worked for MS for several years, including for their Customer Support Services team (a real oxymoron in terms, I know). I have also worked for several licensing groups. I used to generate said product keys and had to explain the legalities behind them. My best advice from a legal perspective? When in doubt, or even in slightest question, your answers can be found:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC_do.mspx

Especially the "Piracy and Your PC - Do's and Don'ts"
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