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Voodoo's m:855 vs. Hypersonic-PC's 64bit Laptop

post #1 of 22
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HypersonicPC is selling a 64bit Athlon based notebook similar to Voodoo, but naturally its roughly 2300 less when you add on the features.

Any thoughts on this? I own a Hypersonic PC desktop from 2 years ago and am very pleased with it. Are they still as good as they used to be?

Also, what could possibly be the performance advantage of Voodoo's version? Memory quality and what else?

Thanks for the insights on this.
post #2 of 22
Well, if you go on reseller.com to check their ratings that customers gave them, it seems like they have dropped quite a bit lately, especially in the last 6 months. Don't know what could of happened. There are also a few horror stories on this board about some member's experience with them. Do a search on Hypersonic.
post #3 of 22
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Good point.

I don't know what happened to them, they did a great job with me 2 years ago but a lot can happen in that much time.

Well, as long as nobody got fleeced and had their money outright taken and as long as they honor their no questions return policy time period, I suppose I would be willing to take a chance, since I could just sharply return it within the first few weeks at any sign of unusual trouble. After all, we're talking a savings of thousands of dollars over Voodoo.

That said, can anyone speak to the difference in performance of these two machines (Voodoo vs. this)? Can anything Vodoo do (no pun intended) such as memory quality actually make their 8:55 perform better?

When will we see this reviewed by Anandtech? Seems like they should review both since they are both out.
post #4 of 22
They appear to be the same laptop from the same ODM (Arima). I'd bet good money that Voodoo is using higher quality parts, but not $2300 of it.
I am wary of HypersonicPC after reading all of the stories, and their rating--compared to Voodoo, but then, the price is unbelieveably lower.

Fortunately, we live in a free-market economy, and if nothing else, this may force Voodoo to lower their prices to be within the same ballpark (but hopefully not so low that they end up sacrificing service, as has already happened to AW, and apparently Hypersonic)
post #5 of 22
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I pretty much agree with your thoughts. I really don't think that Voodoo's $2k+ cost buys you a noticeable performance increase, although it might buy you a noticeable customer service increase, yet I had one very good experience with HSonic 2 years ago.

It seems like its worth giving them a shot again for that savings. Of course I am irked that this machine doesn't go past 1GB of RAM and only comes with 64MB of Video RAM.

I really don't want to wait until January or worse to place a damned order. I wish the industry would push the config I want in time for New Years..

Oh well..
post #6 of 22
Why would you need >1GB of RAM and >64MB of video RAM?
post #7 of 22
..."why would you need more than 64K of memory?..." -bill gates
post #8 of 22
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Why would you need >1GB of RAM and >64MB of video RAM?
I will be using the notebook for game engine development. Specifically games that target higher end hardware configurations in anticipation of the next generation.

But besides my niche needs, if 1GB of RAM was all you needed, then why is 64bit computing the next big thing? It seems pretty clear that the need to address more than 4GB of RAM is being found in more and more circles of the software industry.
post #9 of 22
I have one of their older models...I think its the 17 inchers little brother.

It runs great. When I first got it it was ODA. I was pissed. They overnighted it both ways. I had it back in 4 days. They paid for shipping both ways. Never needed to use their custumer service otherwise but they seem pretty good. That was like 2 months ago. aint bad.

btw...for anyone who has a M9 or M10 lappy. Use the www.omegacorner.com drivers. They rock.
post #10 of 22
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It runs great. When I first got it it was ODA.
Do you mean DOA? (Dead on Arrival)

Sounds good. I wish someone would do a side by side comparison of the 855 and the Aviator. I would love to see how Voodoo justifies the absurd cost difference in terms of performance, if at all.

I know that Voodoo has a better pixel policy, but HS seems to sell an option for that policy. Its not clear though.
post #11 of 22
Here is the VoodooPC discussion regarding the Hypersonic laptop. A good read.
post #12 of 22
Well...personally I'd go with AW before I would spent a penny on Voodoo...just too damn overpriced.

If I had that much money I'd HIRE someone to buy me a top of the line lappy and not deal with ANY headaches at all.
post #13 of 22
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Great link Sivar. It actually convinced me to once again sit the fence

I would buy the 8:55 from Voodoo *if* I *knew for a fact* that I would be able to, at some future point, upgrade to 2GB RAM and 128MB of VRAM.

I suppose I should ask them if that is possible. If it is, I'm definitely sold.
post #14 of 22
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Originally posted by sharpie
I will be using the notebook for game engine development. Specifically games that target higher end hardware configurations in anticipation of the next generation.
Ahh, good reason.

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But besides my niche needs, if 1GB of RAM was all you needed, then why is 64bit computing the next big thing? It seems pretty clear that the need to address more than 4GB of RAM is being found in more and more circles of the software industry.
Even notebooks which support scads of memory seem to top out at 2GB, and with PAE extentions, a 32-bit processor like the Xeon can address up to 64GB of RAM (just, any one process can only use 4GB, though there are ways around this).
The amount of RAM that one can address is far more an issue for high-end servers than for laptops. The big push for the Athlon64 in a laptop for, I believe, is its performance (with 32-bit software) and its low-power mode for better battery life.
I plan to get an Athlon64 laptop because I use Linux extensively, and can compile software for the Athlon64. While software may or may not care about the larger registers, having double the number can help just about any software. The large 1MB cache will help as well, as most programs seem to have a working set that will fit in 1MB (and those that do not can still benefit, just not as much).
post #15 of 22
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The amount of RAM that one can address is far more an issue for high-end servers than for laptops.
I think you are right in most cases Sivar, although 3D modelling, animation, video and rendering apps will also greatly benefit from being able to address larger blocks of memory. Even with Win32's addressing extensions it just doesn't cut it, as you pointed out.

But yes you are right it will serve little purpose on today's laptops, but who knows how long it will be before laptops will be capable of holding 8GB of RAM.. It can't be that far off, if laptops intend to stay competitive with desktops.
post #16 of 22
I can not even configure a Hypersonic. There website will Not even LoaD the configurator...PhHh..
post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 
that's odd.. it was working for me last week..

but anyway i have been convinced of Voodoo's value in this area so i think i will hold off anyway..

right now the only machine that floats my boat is the thinkpad t41 anyway..
post #18 of 22
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Originally posted by sandoon
..."why would you need more than 64K of memory?..." -bill gates
Not to defend Bill Gates (of all people), but at the time, 640K was plenty (it was 64K, not 64, and there is little compelling evidence he said that on the record in the first place).
At the time, the "sweet spot" was 256K, much like 512mb is today. If you paid for, say, 1MB of RAM back then for a desktop system, you were an idiot, just like someone would be today were they to configure a system with 64GB of RAM.
There comes a point when buying more memory today is counter-productive, as you won't be able to make use of it today, it will be far cheaper to buy when you need it, and above all--because the rest of the system would be obsolete by the time you could make use of it.
Additionally, despite the current state of many Microsoft products, Bill Gates knew then more about software and memory requirements than both of us combined, having co-written a full BASIC interpreter that fit inside of 64K of RAM, with room to spare for the BASIC scripts themselves. Of course, he was more of a social engineer and con artist than a programmer.
post #19 of 22
Does anyone out there own either of these machines yet? I'm curious to hear about their experiences w/ battery-life/heat/fan-noise levels.


-n
post #20 of 22
If you check the specs, the machines are identical. The CPU, motherboard, case, LCD, etc are all identical. If you go with the 60 GB, 7200 RPM drives, there's only one manufacturer so they would be identical. About the only majore items left are the optical drive and the RAM. There isn't that much difference in either cost or quality in those. So it boils down to the same situation between Voodoo and SAGER on the P4 machines. Voodoo is just more expensive. Period. And while that does get you a no-dead pixel policy, for the difference in price, you can send back a lot of SAGERs to get that perfect screen. Frankly out of 6 SAGERs, I've never had anything but a perfect screen. I'm pretty sure about 98% or more of them are perfect.

There may well be something to the difference in Customer Support and that can be a major issue. As someone alluded to, its not so much how good the product is (and yes, it should be dang good), anybody can put out a good machine to begin with, what really counts is 6 months later when it breaks down or something happens. If TECH SUPPORT isn't good, you will cry your eyes out and go to work at the Post Office just so you can go Postal.

But the machines are pretty much identical. I guess a paint job is a big deal to some folks, to me, its fluff. Personally, I'd just as soon have my laptop look like hell. Then someone is a lot less likely to want to steal it. All I care about is what the screen looks like. If its great, I don't care if the case looks like turds complete with flies.

As for the 2 GB of RAM, most any machine will support that, the problem is getting the RAM. Of course, you need the sockets for the appropriate SODIMMS, but whose got an extra $K for something you'll rarely use these days. The big issue is the buggered GPU with only 64 MB of VRAM, I don't understand that at all. Its like putting regular street tires on a race car. Simply ridiculous. And its not like 128 MB ATI 9600 PROs are strange and rare things. Probably only cost an extra $100. Most laptops with the 9600 don't offer it with anything but 128 MB. Oh well, everybody is stupid now and then.

Regarding the battery, heat, noise, most likely about the same as the upper end SAGERs, perhaps a bit better as the Athlon doesn't use or exhaust quite as much power. Fans are hard to say, just have to hear them. But if the experience SAGER owners have had with applying Arctic Silver to their systems, you could do a lot for fan noise just by applying a little grease. Maybe that's what makes the Voodoos cost so much. Then again, maybe not.
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