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Bypassing Raid Controller on 8890

post #1 of 5
Thread Starter 
This will sound strange but.....................

I recently purchased an 8890 with (2) 7200 rpm Hitachi drives and the DVD-R burner option. The Raid controller is turned off, but both drives are still routed through it. I work with AVID editing hardware that has to be connected to the 1394 port of the 8890.

Here's my problem.........

The RAID controller causes the internal drives to show up in DEVICE MANAGER as SCSI drives. Internal SCSI drives will not work with the editing hardware connected to the 1394 port. The editing hardware takes up to much bandwith on the PCI bus segment and chokes the internal drives performance. The Internal drives need to show up as IDE drives under the Primary and Secondary IDE Channels within IDE/ATAPI CONTROLLERS in DEVICE MANAGER for the system to work together. This places them on a different PCI bus segment and allows the drives to operate normally.

I need to take the raid controller out of the loop and connect the drives to the original primary and secondary IDE channels with the DVD-R drive slaved to the second channel on the motherboard.

There must be connectors somewhere as the DVD-R drive is connected to the secondary IDE channel and there is room for a third hard drive.

I need to know what (Sager specific) cables I need and how to get to the IDE connectors on the motherboard, and if necessary bypass the raid controller in the bios and enable to Primary IDE channel.

I know it sounds crazy, but right now the system is useless to me unless I can downgrade it to the likes of an 8887.

Any help is greatly appreciated
post #2 of 5
I maybe wrong, but I believe this is how you do it. You will need to disable the raid controller manually. On my 8890 an addendum sheet of instructions was inserted with the mp3 player. Basically, under the keyboard, and a metal plate under that is a very small set of switches Marked "s1". Clevo has supposedly updated the manual if you need photos....it's in section 7-23. Move both switches to the off position (opposite of where they are positioned now.) Re-assemble...boot and immediately go into the bios. Load default bios settings....save and reboot. You will now have to re-format the drives, and re-install the os as well. But - your drives should be on the regular ide controller...I think it was by intel. I did just the opposite to you, and have now enabled raid on mine.

I just re-read your first paragraph. Do you see a message during boot to press ctrl+f to set up raid? If you do - then I suspect your raid switches are turned on, but no array has been defined. I didn't even see that message until I enabled raid manually. I'm sure Adam will be more help than I am - good luck! Are you positive that the raid controllers are the cause of you conflict?
post #3 of 5
Thread Starter 
The motherboard was shipped with the switch set to off, but there was no driver installation required for the IDE drivers in the manual, so I never installed any Promise IDE drivers.

Are you saying that before you enabled your RAID controller, your hard drives used to come up under :

ULTRA ATA/IDE CONTROLLERS
PRIMARY IDE CHANNEL
Hard drive 1 (boot disk)

SECONDARY IDE CHANNEL
Hard Drive 2

within DEVICE MANAGER?


If this is true, then you have the answer to my problems. But......

If before you made the change to RAID your drives showed up under the PROMISE RAID CONTROLLER in Device Manager, then it won't work.

The problem for me it seems is that the Promise Controller is hardwired to the same channel as the 1394 card on the PCI bus.
The ATA/IDE Controller is wired to a different channel.

It sounds thoough as you may have it, but I would appreciate it if you would let me know about your previous setup in Device manager before i trash my drives and start over.

Thanks so much for your help
post #4 of 5
i'm not sure why u created another thread on this topic, but to anyone else reading this...the other thread is here:

http://talknotebooks.com/showthread....&threadid=9909

so duplicate answers wouldn't be made. or a mod could merge the two threads.
post #5 of 5
gizmo
My 8890 came with no OS installed, nor were the raid controllers enabled. My two sixty gb drives were auto detected every boot, and the bios was grayed out on just the primary ide controller. I did three WinXP installs that first night. First I just used WinXP's drivers...second time I used the ATA floppy that came with the laptop. Both of those produced an intel controller in the device manager...if I remember correctly. Once I had actually flipped the switch under the keyboard - the "suto detection" of the hard drives during post disappeared,...and was replaced by the ctrl + f to setup raid message during post. Additionally, the bios now was NOT grayed out on the primary ide controller.

In the other thread aussie makes two points. One - he seems to believe that regardless of driver used - the drives have to go through the "promise controller". I don't think that is correct. Because it isn't just a driver issue...particularly when you are actually changing a hardware setting via a switch. I don't know where the intel controller is on the motherboard...perhaps it is built into the 865 chipset.

Two - Aussie makes a really valid point about just trying it the way it is now. Raid makes a very noticeable difference in speed, and responsiveness. My dual 60gb 16 mb cache...5400 rpm drives installed WinXP in about 15 minutes versus 25 minutes without raid. Even sharing the bus with a firewire connection doesn't semm like it would be enough to saturate the bus. If you are feeding DV thru the firewire it would come in at approxiamtely 21,000 kbs....and yet the drives I have (slower than your 7200's) are able to transfer sustained rates of approx 33,000kps....and I would guess your raided drives should be close to 40,000kps. Which should easily handle the OS, and the streaming DV - and yet not reach the theoritical limit of 133,000 kps + of the PCI bus.

I wish I could tell you with absolute certainity that this was the case - but it was about 6 weeks ago that i first set up my 8890. Have you tried using it the way it is? If so - what was the specific error it gives you? 'you also have the option of inputing the video via the S-Video input, and they may make a component input adaptor for the cable input. I'm vary interested in how you get this resolved. - because in the future I intend to swithc from my old analog video camera to a digital one...if the wife will let me
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