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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Below is what I'm considering and why.

I'd appreciate feedback from this community before I "press the button".

My budget is $3000, but I'd gladly pay less.

I realize the Sentia is a rebranded laptop, but am considering alienware because I know they'll be in business for the full 3 years of the warranty.

Alienware Sentia
  • like:
    • 3-Year Warranty
    • PentiumĀ® M 2.0GHz
    • a/b/g Wireless (I have an a/b/g router)
    • 1GB RAM
    • 7200 RPM Hard Drive
    • 1280x800 Display
    • Dual Layer DVD Burner
    • 4 hour batter life (the longer, the better)
    • weight: ~4 lbs
  • optional components I like:
    • car adapter
    • external usb floppy
  • dislike:
    • They offer an additional battery, but not one for the Smart Bay. I'd like to have 2 batteries in at the same time, so it will run longer (it's worth the weight to me), and so I could hot-swap the main battery.
  • doesn't matter:
    • I have the corporate version of WinXP Pro, and will reformat when I get the laptop.
    • The four speakers are nice, but not necessary. I don't need a high-end sound card either. My desktop machine is already a recording studio (with Adobe Audition and nice hardware).
    • 10/100 is fine for me, 10/100/1000 is fine also.
    • I don't care about the brand of modem.
    • Bluetooth is not built-in for the Sentia, which is fine. It would be nice to have, though.
    • I don't need MS Office.
    • Intel on-board video is fine for me -- I'm not gonna game on the notebook.
    • I'd prefer a close-to-normal sized keyboard, but a smaller one (if the weight of the machine is right) is ok.

other things to consider:
  • I'd like to run Linux or FreeBSD on it, as well as XP.
  • Will the 7200 RPM drive kill my battery life?
  • I like high resolution displays, even if that means the text is small on the screen.
  • I am a fan of Intel motherboards.
  • I am a power user.
  • I have always built my Desktop machines, this is my first notebook (though last semester I have been using a hand-me-down PIII).
  • I have 8+ hour days at school (2x per week), often with no power outlet.
  • I also build websites.

If I ordered today from Alienware, it's get here the first week of school (about Aug 22) -- I'd like to get the notebook by the end of that week if possible.



Please ... share your thoughts, point me to stuff to read, and ask me questions!
post #2 of 16
Thread Starter 
ok ... so while I'm waiting for a response I've decided to configure comparable machines from Dell, IBM, Acer, Sager, and ASUS.

For the Sentia, configured how I want, it's: $2,591.00




For a comparable IBM ThinkPad X40 it's: $2,450.30
unkown battery life

Pros:
  • The "ThinkPad X40 Extended Life Li-Ion Battery" can be attached at the same time as the main battery
  • listed weight: ~2.7 lbs (before "ThinkPad X40 Extended Life Li-Ion Battery")

Cons:
  • best HDD available is 40GB 5400rpm
  • Screen is only 1024x768
  • really bad documentation on options
  • I'd have to buy an external USB2 optical drive (probably the $239.00, Plextor PX-716UF), and I don't know if I could boot to it in order to do a fresh install of windows/linux/bsd.


For a comparable Dell Latitude D410 it's: $3,201
unkown battery life

Pros:
  • 2nd battery at-same-time BUT ...

Cons:
  • ... BUT must carry around a Media Base, which is bulky



the Sager notebooks
NP3880 - 7.9 lbs - $1395/1695
NP4881 - 7.8 lbs - $1445/$1625
NP5560 - 5.85 lbs - $1000
  • These all look nice, but all of them seem too heavy.
  • The lightest one only has a 1024x768 screen.
  • Excellent prices.
  • No 2nd-battery-at-the-same-time option on any of them (as far as I can tell).
  • unkown battery life



ASUS
can't buy direct
W5A is close, but no a/g/b wifi (it seems)
W3V and W6V look decent, but a bit heavy (but have nice big screens, maybe worth the weight), but have bluetooth


Acer
can't buy direct
TravelMate 3000 is close, but no a/g/b wifi (it seems)
post #3 of 16
It looks like the sentia meets your needs, but what exactley will this be used for? It says 4 hour battery life, but thats probably with the much slower celeron processor. Id definetly look into the sager 5560 too.
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
The most important function of this machine is to last through my long school days. I am going to be taking notes while in class, on it. And, I don't want to lug around a desktop replacement notebook
(ie, machine weight = bad / battery weight = acceptable).

I will also use it when I travel within the US (about 2x per year), and just around the house (often remote desktop-ing my main machine).



oh, BTW ... I think the Sentia is the UNIWILL 223II0 - 12.1" Widescreen

And I forgot to mention that I don't care at all what the thing looks like (actually more boring the better). So I'd even consider buying the 233IIO from another company if I knew* it would be in business through the warranty period of 3yrs and offered proper technical support.

(* reasonably well)
post #5 of 16
I have no idea of the quality but msi also makes a 12 inch laptop. You can find it either on their website or on xmeld.com. They come with either amd or intel processors.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
After doing a bunch more reading today (after reading like all last week), including the Super Sentia Review, I am either going with the lightweight Sentia or IBM X40 (... or I am going to consider heavier notebooks* and start my research all over again).

I am about to see if I can figure out about booting off a USB2 DVD burner with the X40, but if anyone knows please tell me.




(* like the IBM T43 for $2,627.45 -- which appears to support both the main battery and a secondary battery in the "Ultrabay slim")
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
ok,

that writing above, and then discussing with a friend helped me describe what I really care about.

Really the only Con for the Sentia is acceptable, and far better than any of the other Cons on the other machines.

oh, and I spoke with their customer support and they said that the 7200rpm drive lasts about .5hr less than the 5400rpm drive.


Now I just have to decide if I am going to go alienware or get the UNIWILL 223II0 from someone else.

As a comparison it looks like ibuypower.com sells it for $515 more than the Sentia, but with less options available, and a shorter warranty.



edit: I went ahead and got it for $2575.60 shipped. (+ about $280 addtl for 2GB RAM from Kingston or Crucial)

Thank you for your help everyone, and I'll be sure and give quarterly reports on how it holds up.
post #8 of 16
Wow, you know the 700m specs out very similarly to the Sentia don't you? Same chipset, glossy display, video. size, the battery in the 700m lasts close to 5 hours with little effort. I'm certainly not knocking your choice but your point in this thread was to compare laptops with your requirements.

The 2.0 in my sig including three years of in home service was 1561.00 (with 750.00 coupon) with similar specs to your Sentia. I bought the two gigs of ram from Newegg and the Seagate 100gb 5400 on eBay, the ram and HDD are included in the 1561, I suppose I could sell the 60gb Toshiba I have leftover but I'm using it for back up in an external enclosure. I went with the 100gb 5400 hard drive rather than the 7200 60 gb because after researching it, the larger drive is about as fast but it's hard to argue with an extra 40gb of space!

As you can see, I have two 700m and over the weekend, the 1.6 developed what looked to be a small group of dead pixels. Dell service has several methods of contact and I used online "chat" to discuss my display with them. After approx 40 minutes discussion, they decided to replace my display.

The part was ordered, and shipped yesterday, this morning I got a call from a tech here in Dallas to set up a time to replace the display, we agree on two o'clock as that was as fast as I could get home, he was right on time and 20 minutes later he was gone and I have my new display. 29 hours from initial contact to fixed computer, all over a few dead pixels.

Here's a shot after the repair, the 1.6 is the one on the left.



Nose around the Dell Centrino forum for many, many reviews of the 700m. It's certainly worth a look for 1000 dollars!
post #9 of 16
Might I suggest the ASUS Z63?

Similar specs to those systems so far posted, and significantly less expensive than all except the dell.
post #10 of 16
i say go Uniwill 233II0 just if you want *fast* service DON'T do IBP (though if you are thinking AW, fast service doesn't matter for you).
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your feedback, all of you, incl. the good and the bad.


I'm comfortable "wasting" $515 for the option of a longer warranty. I understand that I could have waited around for suggestions and kept searching myself for a company I felt comfortable ordering the UNIWILL from, which may have offered the longer warranty -- but, whereas most people probably wouldn't be, I am comfortable with forgoing that and spending ~$500 extra.

As for the 700m, I almost bought one about 6mo ago, but ran out of money at the time. I just played with one this weekend and was happy that I didn't get one because I had a terrible time hitting the period ("full stop" / ".") key. It was indeed very close to what I wanted though.


As for the time-frame for it's arrival, it ended up being quoted as shipping on Aug 8, but I'll give them a month (and still be happy) because that's how long most AW orders have been reported to take.


It's been 14 hours since I ordered and I'm currently on Phase 3.

Quote:
Phase 1: (Order Received)
Phase 2: (Awaiting Payment Processing)
Phase 3: (Payment Received)
EDIT:
It's been 48 hours since that last update, and now I'm on ...
Quote:
Phase 13: (Production: Shipping)
EDIT 2:
2.5 hours after that last update I got the Fedex email, and now I'm on ...
Quote:
Phase 14: (Order Shipped)
less than 60 hours, and it's shipped!
and I even chose FedEx 2Day, so I should I should get it early next week :fingers-crossed:
post #12 of 16
Hi!

With your budget of $3000 you can buy any excellent subnotebook on the market including rigged Panasonics, or Sony. IBM is also good choice, though conservative and not cost/performace optimal.

Forget about Sentia. It is not worthy of the money. Also forget about its cheaper clones (uniwill 223ii0) like Winbook X.... They are for low budget people (like me, he he) and they are all really not very well built and too heavy (actually, 2.15 kg, whatever the adverts say)
for a good subnotebook.

Select a notebook with the magnesium alloy casing and light enough (if you want 12") to be enjoyed.

Ask your question also on www.notebookreview.com forum. You will be helped out there too.


Acer Travelmate 3000 series (3002 with 1.73GHz proc, 3004 with 2.0GHz) is a very reasonable choice for a half of your budget. Afaik, WLAN is included (moreover, they have a better designed antenna for better receiving). Surely, this choice is uncomparably better than Sentia, and TM3000-s are also exceptionally cheap in the US (I wish I could buy it there). I have opened a thread about Acer TM3000 on forum.notebookreview.com where you can read further opinions. The only negative point is a plastic casing
(while you could afford a notebook with more durable magnesium alloy casing for your budget), but the quality of the plastic seems to be OK (and much better than that of Sentia).

BTW, there exists a bigger extra battery for uniwill 223ii0 which is 6500mAh instead of
4400mAh. It will suit Sentia as well. Don't know how to get it in the US. Just ask around, if interested.
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
ivar ... just a little too late -- but excellently thorough advice
maybe the next person considering Sentia will follow it
it turns out the pcworld thread lead me (in a round about way) to see that the Acer TravelMate 8000 series might have fit me as well -- but I couldn't find anywhere that sold it (which is probably better for my peace-of-mind, at this point).

My money's spent and the notebook arrives tomorrow.
(time for me to stop looking at the grass on the other side of the fence and just enjoy what I got)

I'll be sure to photograph it and post the pics (in this thread) right away ... as well as sharing what I like and don't like about the machine, and of course support (which has been very good so far, considering I've contacted them like 8 times already via chat, phone, and email about pre-sale questions).
post #14 of 16
Okay, I know you don't want a 700m, but I will tell you this. With Alienware, you're only paying for the Alienware name. The best logical choice is the IBM. It's the best quality you can get, and it's cheaper. The hard drive can be easily upgraded, and the IBM will cost more than the Alienware after you do that, but still, it's an IBM. I mean, Alienware is nice, but for a non-gaming computer, I'd take IBM any day.
post #15 of 16
The Sentia isn't any good for gaming. It's using Intel Extreme 2 graphics. If Alienware wants to make a 12" notebook they should use the MSI S270. From what I can tell, it's the best 12" notebook graphics wise. And if you think you paid $500 less going through Alienware, well then you're an idiot. I just configured the 233II0 on EKM.com with 2.0 Ghz PM, 60 GB 7200 RPM HD, 1 GB Ram for only $1800.
post #16 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHMANPET
The Sentia isn't any good for gaming. It's using Intel Extreme 2 graphics. If Alienware wants to make a 12" notebook they should use the MSI S270. From what I can tell, it's the best 12" notebook graphics wise. And if you think you paid $500 less going through Alienware, well then you're an idiot. I just configured the 233II0 on EKM.com with 2.0 Ghz PM, 60 GB 7200 RPM HD, 1 GB Ram for only $1800.
Yes, Sentia will not work with the reasonably fresh games. MSI 270 and MSI 260 are better off regarding the games though, of course, not sufficient for real gaming profis. MSI 270 may be the best grafics wise in the given price segment (below 1500-1800$). For example, 12"-13" Sonys have better grafic cards. However, MSI 260/270 are probably the champions in performance and quality per cost (well, I was telling it before Acer TM3001-3004 appeared, now TM3000 seems to be a better choice on the US market, afaik) and they also have a magnesium casing (but they are heavier than TM3000).

Besides, FISHMANPET, not everyone who is not sufficiently informed deserves to be named an idiot. Market is trying to manipulate us. Even on this thread we have been witnessing a number of irresponsible (manipulative or not - I don't know that) "recommendations". Averybody was more or less absolutizing his own experience and his own choice instead of really trying to help a person who is obviously a newcommer on the notebook market.
I think someone has to be ashamed here.

@Zachariah,
if you have a 2 weeks of return right, I'd suggest to think seriously about it,
unless you just fall in love with Sentia in spite of its unreasonably blown up cost for a given relatively modest performance. The model is really outdated and not well suited for travels due to its built quality (I judge based on my own uniwill 223ii0 clone). Don't forget to check how well wireless will work on your unit. In fact, if I were you I'd just try to turn back the order, if possible. However, if you stay with what you get then .... welcome to the club (told with an element of cynicism) ... and Good Luck!
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