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post #161 of 331
11/12/03 at 11:56pm
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Originally posted by Loki047
I thought they shipped it around or somthing to get around the sales tax? Myabe that was awhile ago....
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OH?

Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks
post #162 of 331
11/12/03 at 11:56pm
do u have any relatives u can have it shipped to that are close by that you could go pick it up from them. cause i agree with you paying 200 extra bucks because you live in the same freakn state is unfair.

EDIT: this post wasn't made to bash pc torque at all i just re-read it and if i didnt write it i might think that i was calling PCT unfair which is not the case at all. its stupid goverment stuff.
post #163 of 331
11/12/03 at 11:58pm
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You can contact us over issues such as that and we can take care of them.

Of course you can come by and hang out for some LAN gaming.
post #164 of 331
11/13/03 at 12:17am
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Originally posted by Adam@PCTorque
You can contact us over issues such as that and we can take care of them.

Of course you can come by and hang out for some LAN gaming.
When i go out to Fl, ill be sure to stop by too...
post #165 of 331
11/13/03 at 12:17am
I hate taxes! (too) you people are not alone! but it does the country good. kind of
post #166 of 331
11/13/03 at 6:29am
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Originally posted by Adam@PCTorque
You can contact us over issues such as that and we can take care of them.

Of course you can come by and hang out for some LAN gaming.

That is why PCTorque should get your money
post #167 of 331
11/13/03 at 10:15am
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Originally posted by Loki047
I thought they shipped it around or somthing to get around the sales tax? Myabe that was awhile ago....
thats only for people in california... they ship it to florida first then... but the sales tax isnt too bad.. sure it's a couple hundred bucks.. but could be worse... florida could have a state income tax too....
post #168 of 331
11/13/03 at 2:50pm
As long has PC Torque would take care of the issue of taxes (According to Adam), I should be all good. But who knows.... buy the time the 8790 comes out and am ready to afford it, the idea of PC Torque working around taxes - they might change their mind.

I'll just ask again later in January to see if the deal is still up



BTW..... would it not be until January until we hear more about the specs? (i.e. - Mem and core speed and other info)

Thanks
post #169 of 331
11/13/03 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by firtol88
That is why PCTorque should get your money
You won't be saying that after Adam repeatedly pistol-whips you in Halo at the lans....

Note: I'm still planning on placing my order through them.
post #170 of 331
11/13/03 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by Divine_Madcat
No. 100:1 says its not true. The 9700 is an older core; they would have had even more development time than they would have had on the 9600. If sager says it is the 9700 (R300 core), then it is, plain and simple.
The odds of it being the actual R300 9700 core are very slim - that thing is so power hungry that it needs an extra powersupply beyond the AGP socket so god knows how the hell you're going to run it at full whack off a battery. My instinct is that the M11 is an RV360 (radeon 9600 XT) running at around 450MHz core frequency.
post #171 of 331
11/14/03 at 5:08am
This has to be the best notebook in the world, I can't wait until they hit the New Zealand market. We've just received the 4780 model here, it is outstanding.

Adam, do you know what this notebook looks like, in comparison to other models? Also, do you know if there is any cooling solution for the hard drives, i'm assuming that 2x 7200rpm drives can run in this notebook without any problems.

The measurements you gave are freakishly close to the 4780, other than the thickness of the notebook. I'd imagine they are going to be quite closely related.

In regards to the graphics card, I understand that it is a 9800 running at lower voltage and frequencies.

Lastly, with support for raid in the hard drives, the drives must be running of the sata controllers on the ich5r southbridge. Are Clevo using sata - pata converter chips, or will this notebook support true sata notebook hard drives?
post #172 of 331
11/14/03 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by BradC
In regards to the graphics card, I understand that it is a 9800 running at lower voltage and frequencies.
Where'd you get that info??
post #173 of 331
11/14/03 at 2:52pm
Just heard one or two mentionings about it from a distributor over here for asus notebooks.

Also it seems perfectly logical. Why would ATI bring out a mobile chip that has older technology than the 9600pro, as well as the chip being 2 generations old now. One would assume that to acheive optimal performance vs power use, they would use their most recent core, and modify it.

There are also some benchmarks where the 9600pro beats the 9700, imagine the outcry that would cause!


The only other option is that ATI are going to release a 9600 successor in the next month or so, that will replace the 9600 in the mid range, and will jump over to notebooks shortly afterwards.
post #174 of 331
11/14/03 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by BradC
Just heard one or two mentionings about it from a distributor over here for asus notebooks.

Also it seems perfectly logical. Why would ATI bring out a mobile chip that has older technology than the 9600pro, as well as the chip being 2 generations old now. One would assume that to acheive optimal performance vs power use, they would use their most recent core, and modify it.

There are also some benchmarks where the 9600pro beats the 9700, imagine the outcry that would cause!


The only other option is that ATI are going to release a 9600 successor in the next month or so, that will replace the 9600 in the mid range, and will jump over to notebooks shortly afterwards.

The core of the 9600 may be newer, but it certainly isnt better. And power-wise, it is veyr possible that the r300 core has been brought over to .13u technology, letting it use less voltage (and thus becoming a good mobile chip)..
post #175 of 331
11/14/03 at 3:32pm
I understand that, the 9600 is still only a 4 pipe design. regardless of what core the M11 uses, it will almost certainly be an 8 pipe design. I'm also sure it would use .13u as well, simply to try and reduce heat production. There will still need to be a largish heatsink and fan assembly just for the graphics card and northbridge, should be interesting to pull one apart
post #176 of 331
11/14/03 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by BradC
I understand that, the 9600 is still only a 4 pipe design. regardless of what core the M11 uses, it will almost certainly be an 8 pipe design. I'm also sure it would use .13u as well, simply to try and reduce heat production. There will still need to be a largish heatsink and fan assembly just for the graphics card and northbridge, should be interesting to pull one apart
Well, I'm almost certain it will not be an 8 pipe design. A 0.13u, 8 pipe design would be more advanced than the 9800/R350. If such a part existed it would certainly also be the basis of a flagship desktop part (don't fprget the 9800/R350 is 0.15u) and I believe the next flagship desktop part will be the R420 in the spring. I'm pretty confident that the M11 will appear sooner than that and that it is nothing more than an RV350 - a radeon 9600XT in other words, just like the NV36M is really just a higher clocked revision of the NV31M.

Anyone fancy a little wager on this one??
post #177 of 331
11/14/03 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by caboosemoose
Well, I'm almost certain it will not be an 8 pipe design. A 0.13u, 8 pipe design would be more advanced than the 9800/R350. If such a part existed it would certainly also be the basis of a flagship desktop part (don't fprget the 9800/R350 is 0.15u) and I believe the next flagship desktop part will be the R420 in the spring. I'm pretty confident that the M11 will appear sooner than that and that it is nothing more than an RV350 - a radeon 9600XT in other words, just like the NV36M is really just a higher clocked revision of the NV31M.

Anyone fancy a little wager on this one??
no it wouldnt. The R360 is a 8 pipe .15u design. the only reason they didnt go .13u was cost. Shrinking a dye does NOTHING to "technologically" advance a component. A .13u R300 still wont have the small speeed boosts that the R350/360 has..

Now.. if ATI calls it a 9700, it IS a 9700 (not a 9600XT, cause then it would be called a 9600XT)....
post #178 of 331
11/14/03 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by Divine_Madcat
no it wouldnt. The R360 is a 8 pipe .15u design. the only reason they didnt go .13u was cost. Shrinking a dye does NOTHING to "technologically" advance a component. A .13u R300 still wont have the small speeed boosts that the R350/360 has..

Now.. if ATI calls it a 9700, it IS a 9700 (not a 9600XT, cause then it would be called a 9600XT)....

Very true, very true
post #179 of 331
11/14/03 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by Divine_Madcat
no it wouldnt. The R360 is a 8 pipe .15u design. the only reason they didnt go .13u was cost. Shrinking a dye does NOTHING to "technologically" advance a component. A .13u R300 still wont have the small speeed boosts that the R350/360 has..

Now.. if ATI calls it a 9700, it IS a 9700 (not a 9600XT, cause then it would be called a 9600XT)....
That's incorrect. Die shrinking very certainly does advance the technology -it allows higher clock speeds and lower power consumption. A 0.13u R300 would very likely outperform the 0.15u r350/360 thanks to superior clock speeds.

Although things are beginning to get tricky on the die shrink front (the 0.09u Prescott CPU runs very hot) in general the performance benefits from a smaller process are obvious. A 3 GHz 0.18 P4 simply would not be possible.
post #180 of 331
11/14/03 at 9:55pm
Will this have an option for a built in floppy or does it not have all those bay thingies that the 8890 has?
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