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Originally Posted by caboosemoose
I think were going to have to agree to disagree. My view is that M11=RV360=9600XT=low-kdielectic chip rev with the same 4x1 pipe architecture.
I also don't undestand this post:
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Originally Posted by caboosemoose
That's incorrect. Die shrinking very certainly does advance the technology -it allows higher clock speeds and lower power consumption. A 0.13u R300 would very likely outperform the 0.15u r350/360 thanks to superior clock speeds.
Although things are beginning to get tricky on the die shrink front (the 0.09u Prescott CPU runs very hot) in general the performance benefits from a smaller process are obvious. A 3 GHz 0.18 P4 simply would not be possible.
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No, it wouldnt, because a core shrink promosies neither of those.. it only gives the potential for lower voltage, thus a cooler core, and thus higher clocks.
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You seem to be saying that the skmaller process doesn't allow higher clocke and lower power consumption and then you say it does. If your point is that the higher clock and lower power is a consequence of the ability to run a lower voltage not the smaller process directly then we are into a chicken and egg argument of little value. Ultimately, a smaller process may not directly enable higher clocks and lower power consumption, but it very certainly does allow it, which is all I said anyway.
Finally, why would ATI die shrink the R300? Why wouldn't they die shrink the R350/360, they are 95% the same so its unlikely there would be technical reasons and as you say the R300 isn't quite as good. It seems a strange thing to do to me.
I've had this exact same argument before over the M10 when I said it would a 4x1 pipe chip of less than wonderful ability, and I'm afraid the M11 is likely to be the same.
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Well, you can be afraid, but they are unfounded fears. I mean, i really dont understand you. You seem to want it so that the M11 ISNT an R300 core, which makes no sence.
ATI would go with the R300 for a few reasons. For once, it is alot better than a 9600, and people know that already. The R300 is a very proven core, and would be "easy" to die-shrink. The R350/360 is the flagship card.. to put one in a mobile chip, you defeat the idea of the flagship card; exclusiveness.
The RV350 is a wonderful card, especially when you look at its competition... FX5600? *Laff* Our laptops will handle games like HL2, D3, etc better than NV's flagship card, thanks to the much better DX9 engine.
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I must say, you are a very confusing (and annoying) person to talk to. Please, lets get some facts straight.
When ATI announced the M10, it WAS ready. I am sory, but companies cant drop new designs at the drop of the hat. But, if that isnt enough for you, keep in mind, that THEY said the first laptops would be shipping in late July... they missed that by a month... Unlike last launch though, we know when sager will start selling this new laptop.. but, i guess they must not really know what they are selling...
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| Man... I hope not... I hope the M10's delay was just a one time deal. |
WEll, seeing that the M10 was delayed by 1 month, i dont think we need to worry THAT much...
