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post #261 of 331
11/29/03 at 3:18am
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Originally Posted by Divine_Madcat
I dont particuarly enjoy giving away information to save face.......
Understood... but, with the countless legions of so-called experts with "exclusive inside information," populating these and other forums, I need to see some *real* proof before I believe anything.
post #262 of 331
11/29/03 at 3:28am
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Originally Posted by gsferrari



WTF mates!?!?

You dont enjoy giving away information?? Then you're in the wrong place

Whassup with you anyway?? Being uber snobbish and ridiculously asinine ??

Some medication?? I was on my thyroid meds for the past two weeks and it made me very pissoffish

I dont like doing it, when i am asked not to, as part of my recieving this information.

However, in this case, i think it was important enough that i shoot myself in the head to let out what i know:

Mr X has been in touch with ATI. Acording to ATI, they are supprised at the use of the 9700 name, and state that the R350/360 is simply not suited for mobile use, thanks to being a .15 part. No specifics were given as to what card really IS the M11, but it seems that i have been wrong, and that the 9700 we have been waiting for, is not the 9700 we want...


There you go. Sorry Mr. X, but i do belive people should know this, if it is true, so they are NOT disappointed when they learn it from other places.

if Mr X wishes to reveal himself, he will. You know all i do know, and i think that should whet any hunger for knowledge..
post #263 of 331
11/29/03 at 3:30am


Im happy that im not in the market for a new laptop anytime soon...

I'll wait for the M23 which is not actually the M23 but a renamed M22

But I dont give a **** ya know...I'll be 60 and impotent so it doesnt really matter what they phucking call it
post #264 of 331
11/29/03 at 3:32am
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Originally Posted by gsferrari


Im happy that im not in the market for a new laptop anytime soon...

I'll wait for the M23 which is not actually the M23 but a renamed M22

But I dont give a **** ya know...I'll be 60 and impotent so it doesnt really matter what they phucking call it
Fair enough, but lots of other people do care, so it still applies...
post #265 of 331
11/29/03 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by xeryx
Hello everyone, I would like to say something about this M11 controversy, the Facts.

first off : it is an M11 not m10 Therefore it will not be the same as the M10.

Second off: The Memory is ON THE CORE, not seperated from the core as in Desktop cards.

The M10 core only support upto 128MB if RAM. the m10 has been out for quite awhile know and the m11 is due.

ATI changed all of thier cores accordingly with thier "M" numbering system.

So. Logical deduction tells me that the M11 should be a 9700 xx core. Probably the XT core.(It is always posible that it will be the 9600xt core) For power consumption reasons it will not run at the same speeds.

Chip Manufactures make production runs. In VERY large scale. Just because the have R300 cores left over does not mean they are still producing them. Hence the XT. They have stopped making the R300 core.That's PERIOD. They are now making XT cores. Thats Period. I just purchased 2 9500's of the Saphire variety. The one that are the 300 core have 8 chip in an L shape. And they overclock very nicely but they are getting very scarce. So to tell me that they still make the 300 core is PROPOSTEROUS.

I peronally have/had an 8880 (I'm selling it) and I like it alot, the graphics core has out lived it's usfullness for me though, as I am a gamer. So I will be either getting the 4790 or the 15 in laptop. RAID, the 800MHz buss, and an ATI 9700/9600 are the key to this laptop. It will be as very close to desktop performance. That is SWEET, I am on the road alot and I love to game so should I go widescreen or with the 15' Wide angle view. Decisions, decisions.

Well things are still not final so let's wait and see, I do hope that it is the 9700 core though.
OK, lets gt one thing clear, it's not memory on core, it's memory on package which ia an entirely different thing. A 128MB GPU core would probably cost millions of dollars per chip - the P4 extreme only has 2.5MB on core and it costs a grand (and Intel are likely losing a lot of mony every one they sell, which is probably why they arent really selling them).



As for Divine blowing his load it I just didn't want him to repost what I sent him, the basic details are no secret - the ATI guys I spoke to made it pretty clear that an 8 pipe mobile was not something we are likely to see any time soon and nor are we ever likely to see a dedicated mobile gpu core fromATI unless something drastic happens.

Having said that, I was told a week before the launch og the nVIDIA fx5700 that it would be a downclocked 5900 by a nVIDIA employee so they don't always get it right but there was more than one ATI guy telling me this and one of them was about as well informed as they come.

One more thing - there's nothing actually stopping someone from using an R3XX core in a notebook without ATI's support, well nothing apart from huge engineering costs of going it alone from a development point of view. Still, the info alos said M11 and M11 ain't R3XX it's RV3XX
post #266 of 331
11/29/03 at 9:25am
interesting.....


Excuse for not catching this elsewhere but what exactly is this rumored 9700 about? an 88xx with just a 17" because the 16" is in short supply? or a different breed of cat?
post #267 of 331
11/29/03 at 9:53am
From a business point of view, it wouldnt make any sense from ATI to release a 9700-based mobile card barely four or five months after the first 9600-based laptops was shipped. The 9600 mobility is still a highly sought-after novelty and a product which can still be milked out by ATI for a good while.

Why would they cannibalize their own sales while at the same time investing big $ developing a new card model, if they might as well milk their cash baby (9600 Pro) for another half a year?

Makes no sense. Even tho I have no hard info, common sense tells me that the future 8790's card will be a spin off of the current GPUs in stead of a whole new thing.



Cheers.
post #268 of 331
11/29/03 at 10:05am
I must admit that I havent read the whole thread, I only scanned the three last pages and saw the usual Divine_Madcat vs the world stuff.

Anyway, I dont know if it has been brought up, if it hasnt I cant believe it. Am I the only one thinking the 8790 and the eurocoms future D-870P is the one and same computer?
post #269 of 331
11/29/03 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by Henrik
I must admit that I havent read the whole thread, I only scanned the three last pages and saw the usual Divine_Madcat vs the world stuff.

Anyway, I dont know if it has been brought up, if it hasnt I cant believe it. Am I the only one thinking the 8790 and the eurocoms future D-870P is the one and same computer?
I made that comparison many, many posts ago, so I hear ya!

Reading the specs of that Eurocom D-870P closely, you'll notice that it says nothing about an ATI 9700. Its graphics card is the 256 MB ATI 9600 Pro, with the ability to ugrade to a 9600 Fire GL in the future. Sounds pretty d*mn good to me!

DM vs. the world, huh? Reminds me of a old aquaintance from the Alienware forums who went by the name, Mageta.
post #270 of 331
11/29/03 at 11:52am
Yes, its quite obvious to me that they are the same computer. You can tell from both using Clevo as ODM and even the names are similar. I think you can conclude that it will have some sort of "enhanced" 9600. Maybe not even ATI have decided what it will be called yet. Thats enough for me to know now, the rest we'll find out later. I only wish it would have 1920x1200 resolution, keeping the 16:10 wide aspect ratio with possibility to play games at 1600x1200.
post #271 of 331
11/29/03 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by Henrik
I only wish it would have 1920x1200 resolution, keeping the 16:10 wide aspect ratio with possibility to play games at 1600x1200.
That's the aspect of the 8790/D-870P that puzzles me. Eurocom claims that its D-870P has WUXGA (1920x1200) as an option, but that's not listed in the 8790's specs. An earlier post by Haboda made reference to a WSXGA+ screen from LG that might be an option for the 8790/D-870P, so there's definitely some confusion on this issue. I plan to get an 8790, if I'm happy with the 4780 I ordered, so I'll be satisfied with any of these screens...although a WUXGA would be way-mega-cool!!!

post #272 of 331
11/29/03 at 12:37pm
I'm sure the confusion is due to Clevo themselves not being able to be sure to get the manufacturers to provide them with monitors. Dell have a wide screen 15.4" 1920x1200 but the market is probably smaller for 17" laptop monitors.
post #273 of 331
12/1/03 at 7:19pm
A WUXGA would be a brand new screen. It is not currently in production. I would imagine that Clevo is reluctant to make statements about it until it is in production.

The LG 17" WSXGA+ is also new. It has been on their site for months, but the site states that it is not in production yet.

I think patience and faith are required at this point. It is reasonable to expect that some screen choices will be available.
post #274 of 331
12/2/03 at 9:28am
Here is a quote I got on some brittish forums from a Rock Direct exec. For those who dont know, Rock Direct is a UK based Sager-alike company that sells the same Clevo laptops:

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Radeon Mobility 9700 (M11)

I have read varying comments on the above recently and following a meeting with ATI last week, can provide you "SOME" updated information. (Can not tell you everything, as I am under NDA)

ATI had originally planned to ship A14 revision chipsets to its priority customers for testing this month. However, they have instead decide to go straight to A15 (includes DVI support) and this means the first tape outs they produce will now be February. Therefore, I would not expect to see any notebooks until March 04 at the earliest (We intend to be first again !)

Whilst I can not elaborate too much on the spec of the M11, I can tell you that it does not feature any new breakthrough technology (read into that what you may ) However, engine and memory speeds will be higher.

Regards

Nick Boardman
http://www.rockdirect.com
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So, acording to the last paragraph, the M11 does NOT feature any new breakthrough technology.

Seems Divine Madcat was right: it's not the desktop 9700 counterpart, but rather an upclocked 9600, AKA 9600XT mobility.



Cheers.
post #275 of 331
12/2/03 at 1:21pm
God damit... why did i have to be right (in the end)... I wanted this chip as much as the next guy (hoping for an upgrade)....
post #276 of 331
12/2/03 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by Divine_Madcat
God damit... why did i have to be right (in the end)... I wanted this chip as much as the next guy (hoping for an upgrade)....
Well, I admit that it's mildly disappointing, but not surprising. Given this development, I might end up just keeping my 4780 when it arrives, instead of returning it for an 8790. The 4780 is gonna be a rockin' machine. About the only thing that would make me send it back now would be a screen full of dead/stuck pixels. Even one bad pixel might be enough to return it, unless the pixel is tucked far away in a corner. ME HATE BAD PIXELS!!!

Eagerly checking my e-box for the highly anticipated ship notice/tracking number!!!

post #277 of 331
12/2/03 at 2:44pm
Even though its just a little faster 9600, I wouldnt mind. Hey, 256Meg and faster?! Why not.

Now if only we figured out if it is really going to be a 1440X900 screen or better.
post #278 of 331
12/2/03 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by infamous_pb
Even though its just a little faster 9600, I wouldnt mind. Hey, 256Meg and faster?! Why not.

Now if only we figured out if it is really going to be a 1440X900 screen or better.
If an upgrade came out for the 5680 with it, and it only cost 100-200, i would bother... but if it is another 700 upgrade, no way...
post #279 of 331
12/2/03 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by Divine_Madcat
If an upgrade came out for the 5680 with it, and it only cost 100-200, i would bother... but if it is another 700 upgrade, no way...
Youre talking about the video card, right?

Can they upgrade the video? I keep hearing ppl say yes and others say no....
post #280 of 331
12/2/03 at 3:27pm
Since the GPU is build onto the Mobo I have to figure the upgrade cost will be 500+. Unless they can figure some way to desolder the GPU and replace it.
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