Idiot's guide to Macintel computers; rumor ... ... Is this guide idiot-proof enough for the likes of laptop<3?

pyro_dragun · 01-23-2006, 02:00 AM

Is this guide idiot-proof enough for the likes of laptop<3?

triadone · 01-23-2006, 02:06 AM

lol, now be nice

Kakaze · 01-23-2006, 02:42 PM

hahahahahahahaha

g0dfr3y · 01-23-2006, 03:34 PM

ruh roh... maybe NOT 4x faster... more like, 1.25x...

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/01...s_25pc_faster/

triadone · 01-23-2006, 04:32 PM

it's not surprising, but i'm also wondering what the big deal is? when windows based systems move to a new CPU architecture or new GPUs are released a 10%+ increase is viewed as significant, but when a mac moves to a new architecture they get slammed for not boggling your mind w/ the speed increase? lame.

also, from recent reading, it will be interesting to see how or if Apple takes a more intensive approach to coding their software for intel's multi-core technology and to take advantage of intel's solutions in general. it's been said more often than not that intel tries to innovate w/ new stuff but software/OS/windows companies don't take full advantage of it, if at all. if there are exploits to be made at the hardware level in making the UI more effective, i trust apple to make it happen.

TeeJayDM · 01-23-2006, 08:50 PM

Is the screen of the macbook glossy or matte finish(sounds like picture printing lol)?

Kakaze · 01-24-2006, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g0dfr3y

ruh roh... maybe NOT 4x faster... more like, 1.25x...

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/01...s_25pc_faster/

They are 4 times faster if you use pure performance benchmarks that only measure how the processor itself performs. Realworld performance is going to be slower simply because more parts of the system have to be accessed at one time and the software code might not be efficient, etc.

Apple's benchmarks show how powerful the processor can be when nothing else is taken into account.

And TeeJay; the screens are matte. Or at least, they are as far as I know.

h00ligan · 01-24-2006, 03:18 AM

The article linked is a crock though. The 25% performance gain on the iMac is premature - and does NOT reflect on the difference in powerbook, contrary to what the article states.

BTW, i stickied this as it is going to remain such a hot issue.

TeeJayDM · 02-09-2006, 06:39 PM

I heard that yonah and merom have the same pin configuration, are they interghangeable/upgradeable? I also heard that the new chipset designed for merom/merom based cpu wont be out til next year (mid perhaps or 2nd quarter). Please just correct me if Im worng. Thanks

Joelist · 02-09-2006, 08:40 PM

I dunno about this.

I was in an Apple store over the weekend, and the rep and I tortured a pair of Macs (the MacBook Pros are due in in three days), putting them through everything we could think of.

One Mac was the iMAC Core Duo (1.83 Ghz). The other was a PowerBook G4 (1.67 Ghz). Both were 512 RAM.

In every comparison we did the Core Duo was visibly faster. OS X in particular reacted a lot quicker and was very snappy. FileMaker Pro was faster, and Photoshop flew on the Core Duo but was somewhat sluggish on the Powerbook. Even Office for the Mac was a lot snappier.

One thing that held me back from switching to the Mac had always been the sluggish Power PC hardware. After Apple announced the switch to Intel I had decided to reconsider a switch if I could see that OS X and other apps did better on the Intel hardware. They do.

MarekS · 02-10-2006, 07:59 PM

Great job kakaze

will help a lot of people concerned about the OS X

h00ligan · 02-19-2006, 06:28 AM

yes it shoudl be pointed out that the article linked to a 25% gain over a G5, not a g4 powerbook.

makemedie · 06-13-2006, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakaze

Fifth: Windows

Currently windows XP cannot run on an ICBM. This is due to the fact that ICBMs use EFI which is a BIOS replacement designed by Intel. There are compatibility modules that can be added to EFI to allow it to emulate BIOS, however, seeing as how people have already gotten ICBMs home and tried booting Windows installation CDs on them, the chances Apple having included a compatibility module are extremely slim unless there is some hidden way of accessing it that no one knows about. While Apple has said they would not prevent users from running Windows on ICMBs, it is doubtful that they would actively help them by including a compatibility module where one is not needed.

Expect Windows Vista to run on an ICBM without a problem as Vista does support EFI. Also expect, before the release of Vista, that someone will find a way around the XP/EFI thing and get XP to successfully run on an ICBM. If a group of hackers don't accomplish this feat I expect that Microsoft themselves will quietly release an update that will allow it to happen.

Also, as it has been brought up at least once in the last week: Apple will not lose anything from allowing users to run Windows on their machines. Both the hardware and OS X have already been paid for by the user, so running Windows doesn't put a dent in Apple's profit margins at all. So the truly have no reason whatsoever to stop users from running Windows.

*cough*

Think that should be edited now?

Kakaze · 06-14-2006, 03:07 AM

Probably.

Birdman 84 · 06-22-2006, 01:52 AM

Ok since I am new to Mac except for back in 96 when I came off the road as a house sound engineer to oversee building a state of the art studio in TN. This was my first chance at useing a computer and we choose at the time to go with Mac as PC was not even in the running for automated soundboards. I did buy My first PC around the same time being told it would be easyier to use and I had finally discovered the Net. Note there really was no need for a computer on the road or so i told my self. Now after using PCs for 10 years I want to go back over to Mac,s because I have switched all my camera gear over to DSLR and from all reports the MACs are better at editing pictures then PCs along with the use of MACs for editing audio and video. Can anyone tell me how much differance using a powerbook pro over a Pc really is. I have been out of the studio for 7 years now and have been useing PCs but from reading the forum here and looking around it would seem that a computer with the speed of the MAC that will also run all the software I have for the PC if i could run both Mac for the heavy stuff and add Bootcamp to it and run all the Pc software I would be ahead and slowly move away from the curse of microsoft slowly all togeather. Does this seem like an idea?

01-23-2006, 02:00 AM	#31
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01-23-2006, 03:34 PM	#34
g0dfr3y Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 633 Credits: -163	ruh roh... maybe NOT 4x faster... more like, 1.25x... http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/01...s_25pc_faster/ __________________

01-23-2006, 04:32 PM	#35
triadone Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,761 Reviews: 1 Credits: 334	it's not surprising, but i'm also wondering what the big deal is? when windows based systems move to a new CPU architecture or new GPUs are released a 10%+ increase is viewed as significant, but when a mac moves to a new architecture they get slammed for not boggling your mind w/ the speed increase? lame. also, from recent reading, it will be interesting to see how or if Apple takes a more intensive approach to coding their software for intel's multi-core technology and to take advantage of intel's solutions in general. it's been said more often than not that intel tries to innovate w/ new stuff but software/OS/windows companies don't take full advantage of it, if at all. if there are exploits to be made at the hardware level in making the UI more effective, i trust apple to make it happen. __________________ Laptops: Apple iBook G4 1.2Ghz 12.1" LCD 1024x768 Radeon 9200 32MB 1.25GB RAM 60GB 7200rpm Hitachi 7k60 MacBook: White OS X Leopard 2.2Ghz Core 2 Duo 4GB RAM 500GB Seagate 5400rpm Intel GMA x3100 Desktop: Homebrewed Dual Boot: - WinXP Pro - Vista Ultimate Athlon 64 4000+ Radeon 9800xt 256MB MSI nVidia nForce 410 1.5GB DDR 400 RAM Dual Channel Seagate 160GB 8MB cache WD 1600JB 160GB 8MB cache Maxtor Maxline III 250GB 16MB cache Pioneer DVR-108 Last edited by triadone; 01-23-2006 at 04:35 PM.

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01-23-2006, 08:50 PM	#36
TeeJayDM Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 173 Credits: -297	Is the screen of the macbook glossy or matte finish(sounds like picture printing lol)?

01-24-2006, 03:18 AM	#38
h00ligan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: hot Posts: 915 Credits: 107	The article linked is a crock though. The 25% performance gain on the iMac is premature - and does NOT reflect on the difference in powerbook, contrary to what the article states. BTW, i stickied this as it is going to remain such a hot issue. __________________ Lenovi T60 Macbook Pro Athlon 2500+ ~ 1 TB in RAID 5 200 gig boot drive ~ server

02-09-2006, 06:39 PM	#39
TeeJayDM Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 173 Credits: -297	I heard that yonah and merom have the same pin configuration, are they interghangeable/upgradeable? I also heard that the new chipset designed for merom/merom based cpu wont be out til next year (mid perhaps or 2nd quarter). Please just correct me if Im worng. Thanks

02-09-2006, 08:40 PM	#40
Joelist Et Toto Logica Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 655 Credits: -169	I dunno about this. I was in an Apple store over the weekend, and the rep and I tortured a pair of Macs (the MacBook Pros are due in in three days), putting them through everything we could think of. One Mac was the iMAC Core Duo (1.83 Ghz). The other was a PowerBook G4 (1.67 Ghz). Both were 512 RAM. In every comparison we did the Core Duo was visibly faster. OS X in particular reacted a lot quicker and was very snappy. FileMaker Pro was faster, and Photoshop flew on the Core Duo but was somewhat sluggish on the Powerbook. Even Office for the Mac was a lot snappier. One thing that held me back from switching to the Mac had always been the sluggish Power PC hardware. After Apple announced the switch to Intel I had decided to reconsider a switch if I could see that OS X and other apps did better on the Intel hardware. They do. __________________ Apple MacBook Pro 2.16Ghz CoreDuo 2GB DDR2 RAM 100GB 5400rpm HDD Mobility Radeon x1600 256MB DDR3 RAM Falcon Northwest Mach V Athon 64 X2 4800 2GB ULL RAM 2x500GB SATA II HDD in RAID 0 Dual GeForce 7800s in SLI Liquid Cooled

02-10-2006, 07:59 PM	#41
MarekS Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 300 Credits: -212	Great job kakaze will help a lot of people concerned about the OS X __________________ Sony Vaio FJ 270p

02-19-2006, 06:28 AM	#42
h00ligan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: hot Posts: 915 Credits: 107	yes it shoudl be pointed out that the article linked to a 25% gain over a G5, not a g4 powerbook. __________________ Lenovi T60 Macbook Pro Athlon 2500+ ~ 1 TB in RAID 5 200 gig boot drive ~ server

06-14-2006, 03:07 AM	#44
Kakaze Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 3,302 Credits: 4,819	Probably. __________________ Cogito ergo es...I think therefore you is!--solipsism is great, isn't it? 17 inch PowerBook: 1.5 GHz G4, 512 RAM, Radeon 9700@128, 80 GB 5400 RPM HD

06-22-2006, 01:52 AM	#45
Birdman 84 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 27 Credits: -341	switching from PC to MAC ? Ok since I am new to Mac except for back in 96 when I came off the road as a house sound engineer to oversee building a state of the art studio in TN. This was my first chance at useing a computer and we choose at the time to go with Mac as PC was not even in the running for automated soundboards. I did buy My first PC around the same time being told it would be easyier to use and I had finally discovered the Net. Note there really was no need for a computer on the road or so i told my self. Now after using PCs for 10 years I want to go back over to Mac,s because I have switched all my camera gear over to DSLR and from all reports the MACs are better at editing pictures then PCs along with the use of MACs for editing audio and video. Can anyone tell me how much differance using a powerbook pro over a Pc really is. I have been out of the studio for 7 years now and have been useing PCs but from reading the forum here and looking around it would seem that a computer with the speed of the MAC that will also run all the software I have for the PC if i could run both Mac for the heavy stuff and add Bootcamp to it and run all the Pc software I would be ahead and slowly move away from the curse of microsoft slowly all togeather. Does this seem like an idea?

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