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Ok here's a quick question... does Winphlash have an X64 version? I can't get the friggin bios to load...

Sorry. It does not work for me either. Fortunately I dual boot between x32 and x64 and that solves my problem with Winphlash.

If you only have XP x64, then an easy alternative is to download BARTPE CD boot ISO and run Winphlash from that x32 session.

Regards;

Damn... google here I come.

I figured out why the processor was so hot. The cool and quiet is not working. The frequency and voltage never drop. I checked and the power profile is portable/laptop. I re-installed the via chipset and agp drivers, and the amd processor driver. No luck.

May I sugest you check the following?

1. See if your power options (Control panel) settings are set to portable/laptop. If thery are not then the CPU will not throttle.
   
2. I actually have it set to "RMCLock Power Management" as I prefer to have RMClock setup with multiple CPU and north bridge throttling profiles. I highly recommend you give RMClock a try.

Regards;

could I get that bios upgrade?.... I will be doing this myself

I had it at portable/laptop.
I re-installed the AMD processor driver, I installed RMClock. Initially it did not change anything. I went through the tabs and clicked "defaults". After messing around for a while it went to 800Mhz. Good, right? Wrong. Now it won't throttle up no matter what I do. I made a small program to count to 10 million. I see the load peg to 100%. Processor stays at 800Mhz.

I figured it out. You have to manually add pstates into RMClock.
I have:
State 0 FID 4.0x VID = .975v
State 1 FID 12.0x VID = 1.375v

msantos, can you post the pstates you are using? Thanks.

Glad to see you figured it out.

Here's my strategy for setting the pstates. If you follow this approach your machine should very very cool and quiet.

1. First specify the lower pstate at 4x and 0.8 volts
2. Second, enter the highest pstate at 12x and 1.35 volts
3. Then specify whole integer pstates from 5 to 11. Make sure that RMclock picks the appropriate voltage automatically. A checkbox does this each time you enter a new pstate. Do not specify half multipliers. Instead enter whole integers.
4. On the last tab tick the checkbox for "lower power north bridge" and make sure that the AMD pstates radio button is not selected.

Here are some snapshots of my RMClock setup:











Regards;

MS

Thanks MS. That is very valuable info.
I made some tweaks from what you posted. I really like RMClock. It will be interesting to see if others that upgrade to an ML-44 have the same lack of throttling, and have to use RMClock.

I have ordered a very quiet 120mm fan, and will be building a laptop cooler similar to yours.

-Steve

Can y'all recommend a good place to order an ML-44 from? Where'd you get yours? None of my local stores seem to have any in stock, so I'm looking for a reputable online store...

You can try "Excalibur PC" or "Monarch Computer".

MS

Hey M...by any chance did you test either the 2.02 or 2.04 bios with your 3700 plus? Before ordering a processor, I flashed with 2.04a. I was greeted with 3 immediate BSOD's in x64. Going back to XP Pro I was greeted with a system freeze and a BSOD. Fortunately I had the Sager bios on cd and immediately flashed back. The system is back to it's normal rock steady state. I would suggest this bios is only for Turions except it recognized the 3700 plus and almost competely booted before the bsods.

For those would be pioneers that want to upgrade, make sure you have a backup plan. Although Winflash backed up my bios prior to flash I couldn't get back to Windows. I may have been able to reflash from Safe Mode but didn't try.

BTW- For those wondering...according to Eurocom's tech support, the 2.04a bios does not support the 2.6Ghz 4000 plus Newark core. :-(

I had been running the BIOS 2.02 for several months on my 3700+ without any issues. I also ran the 2.04 for a little over month without a problem either. Again, I too run under XP in both x32 and x64 and in both sessions things remained pretty steady and solid.

You know, it may help to reset the machine configuration data in the BIOS whenever a significant firmware change is made. Perhaps that was your problem.

That's too bad, but again the 4000 is not out yet (or is it ???? ) and with the impending switch to a new mobile socket I do not know how generous of a production run will AMD provide on the 4000 for the aging 754 socket.
After all, these ML and MT CPU's were not meant for retail and at first the ML-44 was fully allocated to HP only. In the end it was hard enough to locate the few retailers that carry it. I just hope the 4000 has at least as good a presence as the ML-44 when it comes out.

Any way we look at it, the writing in on the wall - socket 754 and 939 are soon becoming things of the past. So I look at the current higher speed Turions as the last opportunity for a sure upgrade on our D470K laptops. The 4000 would make it even sweeter.


Best regards;

MS

Hmmm...that's what I was looking for. I was looking for something that said "Restore Defaults" and didn't see it. I'll have to try again in a week or so.

The 4000 Plus has been available from NewEgg since last Sept. or Oct. They take it off the site when they are out of stock. That's the cpu that originally started me drooling over a processor upgrade. I was disappointed to learn it's not supported.