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Old 02-27-2003, 01:13 AM   #1
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no, unfortunately
I missed going to a lot of games this past year because UF sells tickets before the school year starts. Being my first year, I got the phone number to purchase them after the grad students, seniors, juniors, etc...

Long story short, no football tickets

But I was able to buy them off friends who couldn't make it to games, or in worse case scenarios, off of scalpers :P

next year though, every last home game and every close away game, I will be at!


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Old 02-27-2003, 01:15 AM   #2
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Cool, man.... Football is unbelievable.... I LOVE IT! I go to LSU (as you can tell) and nothing tops a Saturday Night in Tiger Stadium... You ought to come down to Baton Rouge next season to catch a game in Death Valley... you'll never forget it! Our place rocks! The Swamp ain't bad either...
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Old 02-27-2003, 02:23 AM   #3
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Agreed Football :headbang:

I think whoever said football was the bane of education just got beat up by the players 1 too many times. jk

I love watching football. Not much more exciting.

Worst sport ever: cricket , curling , figure skating , golf . (although I love golf, and play often, it is an ACTIVITY, not a sport)

Other activities called sports: hunting, eating (ever seen those competitions), lumberjack events (come on, sawing a log is not a sport???!!!!, and to a certain extent, baseball. Although again, I am a big fan.

By the way, to you two college pigskin fans, sorry, but you gotta love them Buffaloes!!!! CU FOREVER!
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Old 02-27-2003, 02:25 AM   #4
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How could you by any stretch of the imagination, not call baseball a sport????
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Old 02-27-2003, 02:55 AM   #5
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Sorry......

But anything that a beer swilling, mullet wearin hick like John Kruk can do is NOT a sport...


And he was not even a pitcher...


Besides, name another sport where the defense has complete control of the game (or ball)....

I once heard it stated that anything you could do while drinking a beer is not a sport. I thought that was pretty good.
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Old 02-27-2003, 11:33 AM   #6
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Sports:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sports

Baseball:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=baseball

Golf:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=golf

Just so you know, I HATE sports. Not the actual sports themselves, I don't mind playing a good game of tennis, or golf, etc. They are fine.

What I hate is the absolutely idiotic culture around it. Just so you know, this applies ESPECIALLY to the Ivy League, where, even upon much dedication, our teams are considered "a joke." So bear that in mind.

I completely abhor when I have to WATCH sports. I mean, what the hell are you thinking? You are cheering on a team that (a) you are not in, (b) you will never be in, (c) you have no relation to, whatsoever.

I mean, you like sports? Fine, go play them. Oh, but those stupid, stupid games! ARGH! Jay! Superbowl Sunday! Let's find the most boring thing to do in the history of humanity! Let's not move at all for hours, watch expensive ads, and pretend we play football!

There, I had to get that out, and I know it won't go down well with some people, but I couldn't help myself. Skye, I agree with you whole-heartedly. A university is a place for learning and teaching. If anything, sports should be peripheral, and only important to those who PLAY them.

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Old 02-27-2003, 11:47 AM   #7
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YAY! GO YALE!

Another:
Full ride scholarships for sports players
Of course, they also get preferred housing and whatever else they DAMN WELL PLEASE.
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Old 02-27-2003, 02:16 PM   #8
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you're missing it

Watching sports is analogous to watching a movie, or television show. You don't watch a movie because you starred in it, you watch a movie for entertainment.

Personally, I've never played football on a regulated team, but I've played tons of shirts/skins games with my buddies. As a consequence, I know how difficult it is to play. Watching on TV, seeing a quarterback leap over a defensive line that weighs a combined 1,000 pounds and land barely into the endzone, its exhilirating. I can't do anything like that. It's like watching a stuntman in a movie do some unbelieveably crazy act.

And may I remind you that the first college football game EVER was between Rutgers and Princeton, two fine schools for the pursuit of higher education.

My school, for example:
Without football, my school would have to double the fees on EVERYTHING (tuition, housing, meals, etc) just to match its former income. Since I am putting myself through college, this is absolutely invaluable.

Thank God for football!


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edit: by the way Skye, I mentioned before that a University is a business. Not all football players get full rides and benefits, only the good ones; that encourages better players to go to the school, which makes the team better, which improves ticket sales, which means more money for the university, which means they can hire more and better professors, which makes the school better as a whole.

BTW: full rides and special treatment doesn't happen just for football players :-P I am a National Merit Scholar; as a result, UF gives me tons of money and benefits.

Study hard, or learn to play football

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Old 02-27-2003, 03:15 PM   #9
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Wow, you just nailed it, bradt! Not bad for a Gator! J/K
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Old 02-27-2003, 03:28 PM   #10
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Re: you're missing it

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Watching sports is analogous to watching a movie, or television show. You don't watch a movie because you starred in it, you watch a movie for entertainment.

Not so. When you watch a movie, you don't bring a sixpack of beer, get drunk and act around like monkeys with your "buddies." Ok, that's a bit of a hyperbole, but face it, it really is like that most of the time. It's being with "the guys;" killing brain-cells and whatnot.

A movie or a television show can be one of these things, IF NOT MORE:
a) Funny.
b) Dramatic (as in Drama, meaning, suspense, etc.)
c) Informative (as in, learning MORE than the resulting score of a game).

If ANY show I watch, or movie, does not have at least one of those, I don't watch it, and it's crap.

Some classical examples:
Seinfeld - Funny.
Law and Order - Dramatic.
Discovery Channel - Informative.

The Matrix - All of the Above.

Granted, some shows do MORE, and try to "combine" genres, with the notorious "dramedia" being an example. This is fine too. Sometimes the results are good (Ed) sometimes they suck (The Tick).

But there are always those elements present. Now, back to sports. I repeat my original feeling "what the hell are they thinking?"

I mean, seriously, NOTHING happens other than a team edging out another, and viceversa. There's no adrenaline, as in REAL games, because you're not playing them. There's no humour, no drama, no information being learned, NOTHING.

This is not against football, mind you. Tennis on TV? Shoot me, shoot me now. Golf? Pure torture. You see, it applies to all of them.

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And may I remind you that the first college football game EVER was between Rutgers and Princeton, two fine schools for the pursuit of higher education.
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I know that college sports started with good universities. I never doubted it, or questioned it. But as you can see, the academics took over, which is why nowadays most of our teams suck. We can no longer bring in an athlete that scores 400 on the SATs. Combined. After eight times.

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Old 02-27-2003, 03:50 PM   #11
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Not so. When you watch a movie, you don't bring a sixpack of beer, get drunk and act around like monkeys with your "buddies." Ok, that's a bit of a hyperbole, but face it, it really is like that most of the time. It's being with "the guys;" killing brain-cells and whatnot.
This is not true for me. I'm there to watch the game. I care about it!

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A movie or a television show can be one of these things, IF NOT MORE:
a) Funny.
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Watching a sport can be all of that! Especially dramatic!

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There's no adrenaline, as in REAL games, because you're not playing them.
This is not true AT ALL. I go crazy with adrenaline during a good game. Esp an LSU football game...

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There's no humour, no drama, no information being learned, NOTHING.
Again, not true. Just because you don't like to watch, doesn't mean it's not there. There's tons of drama! There's humor in parts... and for learning, there's human percerverance.

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I know that college sports started with good universities. I never doubted it, or questioned it. But as you can see, the academics took over, which is why nowadays most of our teams suck. We can no longer bring in an athlete that scores 400 on the SATs. Combined. After eight times.
And you should generalize like that, my brother started at LSU in Football, and I would venture to say is smarter than almost everybody in your Ivy League schools. He was begged to come to them... and he's now a top othopedic surgeon...

Again, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad.... I love it!
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This is not true for me. I'm there to watch the game. I care about it!
Fine, let's say you are the rare exception that behaves intelligently during the game. That's still JUST YOU. Or you and your friends. As I said, I hate the -idiotic- culture around it, so then don't include yourself into my target population.

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This is not true AT ALL. I go crazy with adrenaline during a good game. Esp an LSU football game...
Ok, -THIS- is bull. Why? Because it's a direct contradiction. You stated previously that you DID -NOT- fit into my described category of people acting like monkeys going CRAZY around the TV. Or in the stadiums, where this can in fact become even dangerous. So it's time to make a choice, it's one or the other I'm afraid. They are mutually exclusive.

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Watching a sport can be all of that! Especially dramatic!
Again, not true. Just because you don't like to watch, doesn't mean it's not there. There's tons of drama! There's humor in parts... and for learning, there's human percerverance.
Oh... come ON! Dramatic? Maybe, I'll give you a 50/50 on that one, but FUNNY? HA! and INFORMATIVE? please. Yes, there can be some elements of suspense in there, but nothing like a good dramatic SHOW, or MOVIE. Think about this one for a second, because it makes perfect sense. Why? Because in EVERY SINGLE game that has ever been, is being, or will be played, EVER, there will only be THREE possible outcomes [In binary games, e.g. football, baseball, soccer]:

a) Team 1 wins.
b) Team 2 wins.
c) Tie.

Sure, the scores can vary, but this is usually irrelevant [outside of betting and gambling, which is another little "virtue" of sports.]

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And you should generalize like that, my brother started at LSU in Football, and I would venture to say is smarter than almost everybody in your Ivy League schools. He was begged to come to them... and he's now a top othopedic surgeon...
I am not generalizing. I did NOT say that all athletes are not smart. I did NOT say all smart people are bad athletes. I did not make ANY generalizations. What I DID say, is that the BEST athletes, the ones that truly go on to make the ranks of the legends, the ones that actually MATTER in a top-ten team, they are not top-notch university material. I don't doubt your brother is both smart AND a good player, but is he as good as [insert football god here... I dunno, Dan Marino?]. I didn't think so. If he is, then, my friend, you got yourself an incredibly rarity, and you SHOULD realize that it very, very, seldom happens. Moreover, [if he is, THAT good] why isn't he kicking ass out there right now?
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Again, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad.... I love it!
Derivative lemma: just because you like it doesn't mean it's good either.

But fine, if you like to do it, go ahead. However, this thread was about what we thought were BAD ideas, and well, I personally think that's a really bad one. Let's not get too carried away here.

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Ok, -THIS- is bull. Why? Because it's a direct contradiction. You stated previously that you DID -NOT- fit into my described category of people acting like monkeys going CRAZY around the TV. Or in the stadiums, where this can in fact become even dangerous. So it's time to make a choice, it's one or the other I'm afraid. They are mutually exclusive.
They aren't mutually exclusing. You're talking phallasy here... I do go crazy with adrenaline... I don't drink, and I don't beat up people. There's nothing wrong with that!

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Not true... John Lynch etc.. you're generalizing. Every person is different.

I doubt I can win a war of words with you, but please understand that I love sports (both playing and watching, and I do both)... I have that right... and there's nothing wrong with it!
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Old 02-27-2003, 06:25 PM   #14
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Not so. When you watch a movie, you don't bring a sixpack of beer, get drunk and act around like monkeys with your "buddies." Ok, that's a bit of a hyperbole, but face it, it really is like that most of the time. It's being with "the guys;" killing brain-cells and whatnot.

A movie or a television show can be one of these things, IF NOT MORE:
a) Funny.
b) Dramatic (as in Drama, meaning, suspense, etc.)
c) Informative (as in, learning MORE than the resulting score of a game).

If ANY show I watch, or movie, does not have at least one of those, I don't watch it, and it's crap.

Some classical examples:
Seinfeld - Funny.
Law and Order - Dramatic.
Discovery Channel - Informative.

The Matrix - All of the Above.

Granted, some shows do MORE, and try to "combine" genres, with the notorious "dramedia" being an example. This is fine too. Sometimes the results are good (Ed) sometimes they suck (The Tick).

But there are always those elements present. Now, back to sports. I repeat my original feeling "what the hell are they thinking?"

I mean, seriously, NOTHING happens other than a team edging out another, and viceversa. There's no adrenaline, as in REAL games, because you're not playing them. There's no humour, no drama, no information being learned, NOTHING.

This is not against football, mind you. Tennis on TV? Shoot me, shoot me now. Golf? Pure torture. You see, it applies to all of them.



I know that college sports started with good universities. I never doubted it, or questioned it. But as you can see, the academics took over, which is why nowadays most of our teams suck. We can no longer bring in an athlete that scores 400 on the SATs. Combined. After eight times.

Cheers.
I can understand all the things you mention in reference to golf on tv.. I mean come on why waste time watching some guy hit a ball around with a club in the atmosphere of a library,tennis and bowling and billards on tv.. yes..... at least in football you have crowd noise and other stuff and it is entertaining to me at least, although it is more entertaining actually being at the game sometimes and not seeing just what the tv people want you to see or deem interesting.. I disagree with you on the matrix.. most of it was way over my head I was lost through like 75% of the dvd... Ok maybe that hasd something to do with it losing a few things while i took a second or 2 every now and then when i needed another beer but still i wasnt out of range from the dvd that long...
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Oh... come ON! Dramatic? Maybe, I'll give you a 50/50 on that one, but FUNNY? HA! and INFORMATIVE? please. Yes, there can be some elements of suspense in there, but nothing like a good dramatic SHOW, or MOVIE. Think about this one for a second, because it makes perfect sense. Why? Because in EVERY SINGLE game that has ever been, is being, or will be played, EVER, there will only be THREE possible outcomes [In binary games, e.g. football, baseball, soccer]:

a) Team 1 wins.
b) Team 2 wins.
c) Tie.


Its gotten even better since they put in tiebreakers... Talk about excitement when your watching a game go into 6 or 7 overtimes.. it has happened... Sometimes it can be funny.. seeing how some of the fans dress up and such....... it can be quite crazy.. But each is entitled to their opinions.. for example some people might love opera and some people (me included) might abhor it...
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