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Old 04-13-2005, 10:39 AM   #151
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so far I've only gotten bsod as my indicators of trying too little voltage. However, they come along after awhile of testing. Not sure how long as I was sleeping during both times it happened recently.

In any case, I think you should test it for awhile, but that's just my gut. As for 'torture test', I just start prime95, i don't select torture test or anything like that. Well, actually when I first installed it I said it was for testing purposes. Is there something else I should be doing...my cpu load is at 100% at 2ghz.

Also, should I enable my fans to continue to constantly blow? Figures I'd wanna have it as similar to how I'm going to be having it in normal work.

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Old 04-13-2005, 12:47 PM   #152
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BlownFuse: I have torture tested my Maximal (0.972V) for 2 hours and no errors using the 1st option in torture test. Will it not impose damage to the CPU if I ran a torture test for 4 hours? I mean, Im still quite septik. Overnight? Are you serious?
No, you will not damage your CPU. Running your CPU at 100% or undervolting doesn't damage, increasing voltage can (when overclocking, for example).
For example: I have some computers running a distributed computing program called Folding@Home (folds proteins for science). This program runs 100% cpu usage (it is just as stressful as Prime95), and I have been running them 24 hours a day, 7 days a week - for over 2 years now.
For the most part, the only way hardware damage occurs from running software, is if you are running the hardware out of spec. So, as long as you test your settings (as thoroughly as you can), and everything is running good - you should be all set.

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so far I've only gotten bsod as my indicators of trying too little voltage. However, they come along after awhile of testing. Not sure how long as I was sleeping during both times it happened recently.

In any case, I think you should test it for awhile, but that's just my gut. As for 'torture test', I just start prime95, i don't select torture test or anything like that. Well, actually when I first installed it I said it was for testing purposes. Is there something else I should be doing...my cpu load is at 100% at 2ghz.

Also, should I enable my fans to continue to constantly blow? Figures I'd wanna have it as similar to how I'm going to be having it in normal work.

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BSOD (no matter how long it takes) = bump voltage up a little, and try again.
Testing over a period of time @ 100% usage (regardless of how you test, as long as it is stressing the cpu) is the way to find out the limits of the cpu. Over time, you will see if you have enough voltage for all those calculations while the cpu is shedding gobs of heat - and heat is hardware's main downfall.
I did not have my fans constantly on while stress testing, I let Dell's default settings dictate my fans' functionality. My logic behind it, is that I wanted the processor to get hotter than I normally would run it (pushing the limits). The higher the temperature, the more potential for failure - so if it makes it through the testing, than I know I have definitely hit the sweet spot for my settings.
Just my $.02, hope it helps.
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Old 04-13-2005, 02:47 PM   #153
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yeah, that's pretty much my thought as well. I don't wanna try anything with the fans blarring as I wouldn't want to use it at that point.

Another question about BSOD, I have Spybot installed and it has a Spybot SD-Resident that came up when I rebooted as the registry changed. The kernel file, the one that faulted in the BSOD had changed and wanted me to know if I wanted to allow or disallow it. I went ahead and allowed it but it made me wonder, do my bsods accumulate in my registry like this? As I was testing a got a couple more and while it isn't a lot obviously it was still something I wanted to understand better. Would a registry cleaning utility see them?

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edit: Well I had it running at 1.132 v on prime for ~10 hours with no problems. Then tonight I was playing around on it and during the installation of the bluetooth stack I got a BSOD. Not sure what to make of that really. I am putting the volts up to 1.148 volts for now.

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Old 04-13-2005, 10:54 PM   #154
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I am trying to do this according to the instructions and when I changed the maximal voltage in the management tab it changes back to the original voltage as soon as I hit apply. Is it changing the voltage and just not displaying it? Or am I not doing something right? I appreciate any info you guys can give me.
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Old 04-13-2005, 11:05 PM   #155
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I am trying to do this according to the instructions and when I changed the maximal voltage in the management tab it changes back to the original voltage as soon as I hit apply. Is it changing the voltage and just not displaying it? Or am I not doing something right? I appreciate any info you guys can give me.
This happened to me. Try adjusting the Minimal first.
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Old 04-13-2005, 11:32 PM   #156
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yep you have to change the minimal one as well otherwise it'll bounce back because the minimal will be higher than the max. I set them both to the same and went down the list.

My low eventually became .7v as that was already set as the lowest so I didn't feel i needed to check that.

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Old 04-13-2005, 11:41 PM   #157
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yep you have to change the minimal one as well otherwise it'll bounce back because the minimal will be higher than the max. I set them both to the same and went down the list.

My low eventually became .7v as that was already set as the lowest so I didn't feel i needed to check that.

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What system do you have and what is your maximal?
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:14 AM   #158
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dell m70 with a 2.0ghz cpu. My minimum is .700v and my maximum is currently 1.148v due to that bsod while installing.

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Old 04-14-2005, 04:50 AM   #159
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dell m70 with a 2.0ghz cpu. My minimum is .700v and my maximum is currently 1.148v due to that bsod while installing.

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you i rab got similar notebok like ur's so im wondering when i receive my new dell m70 i can do this right and it is easy? This aint nothing hard right? Also do you noitce that your computer get better batter life and that the fans are never on? Well the notebook has quiet fans to begin with
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Old 04-14-2005, 09:21 AM   #160
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The fans come on occassionally but really I typically have to check the fan control unless I'm really focusing and leaning in near the computer. The fans are very quiet, never over 3k rpm and typically around 2.5k-ish. As for battery life, *shrugs* I dunno, I didn't test the system at its old amount, but I'd imagine it isn't a huge amount but maybe 15-20minutes at most like most everyone else.

Before I did the test and I would run prime at the old setting it would stay at 54 C with fans always on, now that I lowered it it would go down to 45 C, fans would shut off and slowly creep up to 62-65C in ~ 2 minutes before the fans came back on and dropped it back down, which took about ~7 minutes. Rinse and repeat.

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I have a problem at times with RMclock crashing when I try to show or hide the menus. This has happened whether or not I'm running the stock or modified voltages. Has anyone else experienced this and if so is there a workaround?

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Old 04-14-2005, 10:26 AM   #162
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I have a problem at times with RMclock crashing when I try to show or hide the menus. This has happened whether or not I'm running the stock or modified voltages. Has anyone else experienced this and if so is there a workaround?

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Old 04-14-2005, 12:56 PM   #163
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The fans come on occassionally but really I typically have to check the fan control unless I'm really focusing and leaning in near the computer. The fans are very quiet, never over 3k rpm and typically around 2.5k-ish. As for battery life, *shrugs* I dunno, I didn't test the system at its old amount, but I'd imagine it isn't a huge amount but maybe 15-20minutes at most like most everyone else.

Before I did the test and I would run prime at the old setting it would stay at 54 C with fans always on, now that I lowered it it would go down to 45 C, fans would shut off and slowly creep up to 62-65C in ~ 2 minutes before the fans came back on and dropped it back down, which took about ~7 minutes. Rinse and repeat.

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Hey disable the fans i think you are running it cool enough. My frnied turn his fans on aroun 77ish he said and when it hits thaqt it turn on low yea its a b it hot but he hates noise but he said that when hes playing a game when he just doing moderate tasks no sign of fan! This is a trutly amazing laptop
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Old 04-14-2005, 01:01 PM   #164
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hm, you mean disable them by using a profile generated by RMClock? As it is windows xp is doing the fans as far as I can tell, as I haven't checked the box that would allow those profiles to work in RMClock. I did do it once but it didn't seem to work, although I didn't give it a lot of time.

I'll tinker with it some more for sure, but I don't mind the occasional fan, although I wonder how much juice the fans use...I wouldn't figure too much, but I dunno.

Also, does anyone know what the safe temps for ram is? My ram is often the hottest thing listed, but whenever it gets a bit "too" hot, mid to high 60s C the cpu is usually close and the fans turn on and they also start going down.

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