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Old 08-21-2005, 01:13 PM   #751
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Aiight time for some newbie questions.
1. I have SpeedSwitcher & I8KFanGUI running at the same time as RMClock and Prime95, is that ok? Or should I permanently get rid of either?
2. Once I figure out the max and min voltages using RMClock and Prime95 do I have to set RMClock running at startup? Or can I get rid of it?
3. Do I have to put anything for the Battery one, or just leave it as No Management?

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Old 08-21-2005, 02:24 PM   #752
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garbaeg - those voltages are the exact same ones I use, but why do you have the extra 6x setting? I'd get rid of it. Also, 51-55C is great if your fans are turned off (some notebooks do this when the CPU can stay cool enough without them), however if they're still on then that is kind of high, check your settings.

Hellfirex- Is speedswitcher a program that works with speedstep? If it is then it's unecessary as RMClock does everything. Yes you have to have RMClock run at set up. If it isn't running, the CPU will run at normal voltage. Both AC and batter must be set to automatic for RMClock to work properly. Here's the update I wrote for 1.6v, it might help with any other questions. Good luck man
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hmm... I think there needs to be a a few things updated for 1.6v, here goes:

First off, go to the general tab and select whatever functions you want on the bottom, but make sure that you select "restore CPU defaults on exit" in case something messes up, then you can just exit . Then, under the management tab, select use p-state transition. In the white box right below that there should be two (you'll probably have to create at least one). The first should be State No. 0, with an FID of 5x (or whatever your lowest is) and a voltage of 0.998v (or w/e it is stock on your lap top). This is the 800MHz power saving setting for the new P-Ms. The other should be State No. 1, with your max FID (mine is 15x) and your stock full voltage (mine is 1.356v).
Make sure that your A/C adaptor is plugged in, then go down to AC profile and select "maximal" from the drop down box. Get Prime 95 started and calculating (Large FFTs work best for a test). Also make sure that you select "Use OS-based load management" (same as run HLT etc.). From here go back to your P state transitions box and click on the max setting (the one with your highest multiplier) and modify the voltage going to it. I took it down 3 steps at a time until I got to about 1.15 and then I went down one at a time from there. Make sure you hit apply on the bottom of the management tab after each voltage change. You can also use CPU-z to vertify the voltage change. If you're pin-modded you may need to stop sooner because your CPU will require more juice. Keep lowering it until you get an error, then raise it and prime test. Anything higher than 8 hours means you're rock solid. I got an instant error at 1.054, but I run 1.1v just for the extra stability (10hrs+ stable).
Once that has been tested, go back to the management tab and under AC profile select "minimal". This will use your 800MHz CPU (or whatever your lowest multi is) setting. The odd case here is that now you will load at this speed, which will never happen in "real-world," the CPU is only at 800MHz when it's idle. In the same way drop your voltage down (remember to hit apply). I think almost every CPU can do .75v, and most can do .700v, but test and test again. After that let prime95 run for 3 hours or so, which is more than enough because the CPU will never be loaded at this state.
Ta-da, you're done. Just make sure you go to management and select "Automatic Management" under your AC Profile. Also under you General tab select "state minimized" and "run automatically at start up," but make sure you keep "restore defaults upon exit" just in case something ever glitches on your. Have fun and rock on
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Old 08-21-2005, 03:52 PM   #753
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garbaeg - those voltages are the exact same ones I use, but why do you have the extra 6x setting? I'd get rid of it. Also, 51-55C is great if your fans are turned off (some notebooks do this when the CPU can stay cool enough without them), however if they're still on then that is kind of high, check your settings.
My fans are off, I don't really know why I put the extra 6 there. I removed the 0.988 only 6x 0.700 there now. I just started it up after being off for awhile and it's running between 40-45c now. If I keep it in my lap it usually gets pretty hot but on a solid surface that preferably doesn't cover the fan it seems to keep pretty low with just www, msn etc.

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Old 08-21-2005, 04:25 PM   #754
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My fans are off, I don't really know why I put the extra 6 there. I removed the 0.988 only 6x 0.700 there now. I just started it up after being off for awhile and it's running between 40-45c now. If I keep it in my lap it usually gets pretty hot but on a solid surface that preferably doesn't cover the fan it seems to keep pretty low with just www, msn etc.

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Old 08-21-2005, 08:03 PM   #755
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Undervolting ULV processor, continued

Hi,
continuing our previous discussion about the undervolting of ULVs.
Someone actually has done it with the following results:

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0.7v @ 600 Mhz (6x100, the minimum voltage available in RMClock) - more than adequate for Word, browsing, DVD watching etc, normal temp = 49C

0.892v @ 1100 Mhz (any combination of clock and fsb)

0.908v @ 1342Mhz. Super Pi 2million places = 2M 14s - pretty impressive scaling of the CPU with fsb I reckon.

Max stable fsb (any multiplier) = 122fsb (suggests to me that memory or chipset is bottleneck) for a max speed of 11x122 = 1.342Ghz, but on full load e.g. UT2k4, temp is as high as 78C.
quoted from http://forum.notebookreview.com/show...t=21309&page=2

These results are rather disappointing to me showing that the usual PM processors actually can work at lower voltages than ULVs! However, to be sure I still have to ask the author of that post about his criteria of selecting the above voltages.
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Old 08-21-2005, 08:38 PM   #756
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garbaeg - those voltages are the exact same ones I use, but why do you have the extra 6x setting? I'd get rid of it. Also, 51-55C is great if your fans are turned off (some notebooks do this when the CPU can stay cool enough without them), however if they're still on then that is kind of high, check your settings.

Hellfirex- Is speedswitcher a program that works with speedstep? If it is then it's unecessary as RMClock does everything. Yes you have to have RMClock run at set up. If it isn't running, the CPU will run at normal voltage. Both AC and batter must be set to automatic for RMClock to work properly. Here's the update I wrote for 1.6v, it might help with any other questions. Good luck man

P.S.- What happened to Tar_Heel_Guy, he used to be a regular in this thread...
Speedswitch XP is a program for Dell machines that controls the speed of the CPU -- you can set it to always be at max GHz, or min GHz, or switch, or another choice.

So Hellfire, you can close SSXP while you run Prime95 and RMClock.

And K6, yeah, he was a good addition here... I hope he's all right.
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Old 08-21-2005, 08:43 PM   #757
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Wow, great find ivar. So then it doesn seems the the ULVs are more or less, absolutely nothing special .

Yah, uninstall Speedswitch then, RMClock has all those functions.
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Old 08-22-2005, 09:53 AM   #758
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Hey,

I have a Vaio A497XP which I tried undervolting with these numbers:
6x 0.700v
12x 1.020v
15x 1.084v

It's a Pentium M 760 Sonoma CPU and I use CHC for this task, but whenever I set these voltages after a while I get a bluescreen and the laptop reboots. Anyone have an idea why? Shouldn't these numbers be okay?
Also, does the CPU take any damage by setting incorrect voltage?
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Hey,

I have a Vaio A497XP which I tried undervolting with these numbers:
6x 0.700v
12x 1.020v
15x 1.084v

It's a Pentium M 760 Sonoma CPU and I use CHC for this task, but whenever I set these voltages after a while I get a bluescreen and the laptop reboots. Anyone have an idea why? Shouldn't these numbers be okay?
Also, does the CPU take any damage by setting incorrect voltage?
You need to raise your volts a bit. I bet if you ran Prime95, you'd be getting all kinds of errors. The blue screen just means your voltages are a bit too low.
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You need to raise your volts a bit. I bet if you ran Prime95, you'd be getting all kinds of errors. The blue screen just means your voltages are a bit too low.
A friend of mine has the exact same laptop and uses these exact numbers and they work fine for him. I think it's probably some other settings in the CPU speed section or CPU voltage section I have missed but I have no idea which
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:07 AM   #761
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Every CPU is different. You should never expect a setting to work just because it worked on another CPU. Prime95 test, always. I just actually found out that .700v is not stable on mine because it crashes after 5 hours of priming, so, I raise the voltage.
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I know it's a little late to be asking this, but when you guys run Prime95, what test do you run? I run the Torture test. Or should I be running CPU?
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yep the torture test... all of them...
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Ok, cool. I ran Prime95 @ 22X(2.26Ghz) and 1.276V and got an error after about 1 hour. Raised volts to 1.29 and so far, Prime has been running for about 2 1/2 hours error-free and ~79C. Sure wish I could get the volts lower, but I guess anything is better than nothing. Looks like I've got it pretty stable at minimum volts though- 6X(800Mhz) @ .7V.
You know what's weird though? On the "status" page of CHC it shows 22X, but on "CPU voltage" page, it shows a 17X multiplier.
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With my Dell i8600 I got the following:
P-M 1.6 GHz
- 6x @ 0.700 V (Test for 18+ hours no errors)
- 16x @ 1.052 V (Test for 10 hours no errors)
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