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Old 10-11-2005, 06:34 PM   #886
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Does chc work on the new 1.8 chips? I cant seem to get it started, its always saying failed to initialize
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Old 10-12-2005, 12:26 AM   #887
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The Microsoft .net framework must be installed for chc to work, make sure you have that first...

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Old 10-16-2005, 10:11 PM   #888
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Please don't think me a dunce (though I may very well be one), but I still don't quite know what to do here.

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7.) Make sure "Minimal FID" is at the lowest number (6.0x in my case) and "Maximal FID" is at the highest number (15.0x in my case).
Where is this under Management? There is only P-State0, and FID is set at 15.0x and I cannot change this even if I click "modify".

Do I do "add" another P-State Transition (because that is when I am allowed to choose FID) and then choose 6.0x FID? Then how is all this saved?

Do I:
1)highlight P-State0 with its 15.0x FID and VID lowered to 1.1, choose BOTH AC Profile and Battery Profile "Maximal" and hit apply?
2)hightlight P-State1 with 6.0x FID and .700VID (IF I need to create it based on your response to prior question about adding P-State Transition), choose "minimal" for BOTH AC Profile and Battery Profile, and hit apply?

I've gone through most of the replies, but gave up after about 20 pages. Can anyone answer these questions here? I know nothing of underclocking, and I can't seem to find any readme on this software, so I'm rather clueless..

Thanks in advance!
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Old 10-17-2005, 12:15 AM   #889
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Does chc work on the new 1.8 chips? I cant seem to get it started, its always saying failed to initialize
Apparently there is a new version of CHC that supports the new Sonoma chipsets (740, 750, 760...)

It's called Notebook Hardware Control (NHC) now instead of Centrino Hardware Control (CHC). I think it also works with AMD mobile now....but i could be wrong. Anyway...it's 1.9 Beta 3. It looks nice.

You have to uninstall all previous CHC versions and install the new Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Beta 2 in order for the new NHC to work.
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Old 10-17-2005, 07:23 AM   #890
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Apparently there is a new version of CHC that supports the new Sonoma chipsets (740, 750, 760...)
Can it show HD temperature in tray? I know previous version (beta 2) could not. Wonder if I still need to use MobileMeter (HD temp montoring) if I decide to go with NHC.

P.S. I know that CHC/NHC can read HD temp. What I need is convenient way to constantly monitor it without opening main CHC/NHC window.
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Old 10-17-2005, 02:49 PM   #891
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Beta 2 worked fine on my 760 Sonoma/Dothan, but I am using beta 3 now. It still does not show HDD temp in the tray, maybe you could e-mail the programmer and ask him to include it in the next version. Just wondering, why do you want the HDD temp in the tray? HDD isnt something that fluctuates much and you really only need to check it if you're having an issue.
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Beta 2 worked fine on my 760 Sonoma/Dothan, but I am using beta 3 now. It still does not show HDD temp in the tray, maybe you could e-mail the programmer and ask him to include it in the next version. Just wondering, why do you want the HDD temp in the tray? HDD isnt something that fluctuates much and you really only need to check it if you're having an issue.
On the previous Beta version, i too was not able to get a constant readout for the HD tempurature. I had to open the program to get a reading. However, when my HD did reach a critical point (55C) it did warn me with a bubble at the right hand corner of the system tray. At least it did that.

Also, i personally don't think it is necessary to monitor HD temps. Since there isn't anything in the way of active cooling for the HD, there really isn't much you can do to cool it down except to give it more air on the bottom of the laptop, or to shut it down completely. On a side note, i wonder if it is possible to fabricate some kind of heatsink for the HD, even a small sheet of metal to touch the surface of the HD and transmit the heat to the outside would help cool it down a lot. There doesn't need to be a fan, but some way to transmit the heat away...beacuse all it has is a plastic case. Maybe i can get a local metal shop to fabricate a metal plate as its cover on the underside of the laptop.

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HDD isnt something that fluctuates much and you really only need to check it if you're having an issue.
I does fluctuate during the extensive disk operations.
Besides, with your point of view on that, there is no need to monitor CPU temperature either, unless you have an issue. Yet CHC allows you to have CPU temp reading in tray.

Guess I'll stick with RMClock + MobileMeter for now.
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Old 10-17-2005, 06:13 PM   #894
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Those two parts, the CPU the HDD, have completely different functions and thermal specifications, and no that wasn't my point at all. To explain further, gadgetfreak had part of it:
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Also, i personally don't think it is necessary to monitor HD temps. Since there isn't anything in the way of active cooling for the HD, there really isn't much you can do to cool it down except to give it more air on the bottom of the laptop, or to shut it down completely.
The second part is that laptops are designed to adequately cool their hardware. Although there may be some variation in "adequate," no hardware will fry with stock cooling. Unless you want to specifically test a new cooling solution or something of the sort, there's no real reason to monitor it other than personally interest. CPU's on the other hand fluctuate greatly in their heatout put (between load and idle) and the entire POINT of the CHC/NHC program is to reduce temps on the CPU by undervolting it, of course you would need CPU temp monitor in the tray along with votlage to make sure things are running smoothly (since they are out of spec and you CAN do something about it).
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Old 10-17-2005, 06:56 PM   #895
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Any chance that someone could help with my previous question regarding P-States? Sorry to be a pain, but if you've got any links with more info, I'd be happy to look at that as well.
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Old 10-17-2005, 09:46 PM   #896
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Oh crap, sorry man, I didnt see that post. You're right, you have to add the other p-state and select the voltage you want. From there it'll switch between the two. Usually P-state 0 is 6x and w/e voltage and P-state 1 is your max (15x in this case) and the voltage. However, yours seem to be the reverse, but I dont think that'll matter, try it and see.
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Old 10-18-2005, 12:11 AM   #897
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Oh crap, sorry man, I didnt see that post. You're right, you have to add the other p-state and select the voltage you want. From there it'll switch between the two. Usually P-state 0 is 6x and w/e voltage and P-state 1 is your max (15x in this case) and the voltage. However, yours seem to be the reverse, but I dont think that'll matter, try it and see.
Thanks alot! Will give it a shot


EDIT: I seem to have gotten it working to some extent, though I can't go as low as some. However, there has been a noticeable decrease in fan noise!

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Great, Mr. K6, you don't need to monitor HD temp. I do. Personal interest should be enough. Besides, after tuning up undervolting settings (while running Prime95 or movie encoding) subsequent monitoring of CPU temperature becomes nothing more than "personal interest" as well because "laptops are designed to adequately cool their hardware."

Real-time HD temperature monitoring is available both from HD manufacturers (through S.M.A.R.T. protocol) and from the author of CHC/NHC (on one of the pages in main window). There must be a reason for that, don't you think?

As to whether I can do anything about HD cooling, ever heard of Acoustic Management setting?

My original question was not about adding HD temp monitoring - it's already in the program. I was asking about tray icon display. Made sense to me since the value itself is reported in real-time. Anyway, as I wrote earlier, I'm fine with RMClock+MobileMeter, NHC will wait for now.
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Old 10-18-2005, 09:21 AM   #899
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There's no need to take offense, I just asked in my first post why you wanted to monitor it out of interest. In the second post I clarified my point of view since I dont think it came out clearly. Anyway, whatever works for you
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Sorry, I was a tad too emotional in my previous post. Just trying to find an optimal tool/combo that will do undervolting and monitor what I want. I am a minimalist in the sense that I run an absolute minimum of applications on my laptop. Just what I need to do my job and relax too That's why I'm watching out for the progress on CHC/NHC. It's definitely heading in the right direction.
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